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Post by Wild E. Coyote » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:36 am

Of course, it is your money. I just have a feeling that it is something trivial and that you will regret it laterm that is all...
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Post by raggamuffin » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:44 pm

Problem I have is bi-polar. I'm up and down like a yo-yo and I'll go from extreme ideals, dreams and expectations - to frequently wanting to give up and failing to see the point in anything.

It's not an ideal project for someone like me. Especially with the delays, and now the problems since getting it back. Friends, family and work colleagues have belittled me throughout the project. In fact, the problems and delays have become a running joke with most people I know.

I'm tired. I don't want to give up. I've already cancelled the FB ad. If I cancel the CarandClassic add then the car isn't for sale online other than on here.

But honestly, if these problems haven't been fixed - how much more does it take? Could it take? Hundreds? Thousands?

There's no doubt it's a fun car with spirit and potential. I can't deny the mods installed have made it an exciting and engaging drive. But it's not practical enough and that won't change. I'm not financially well off to keep 2 cars. I can - and I have, for 12 months of this project.

But spending an extra £100 a month to keep the Puma legal on the road. I don't know. Spending hundreds each month on parts as well? Sure, it won't always be the case. But this is big money to me. I get maybe £500 spare a month after all my bills, and most of that has gone on the Puma for over a year. It's exhausting guys.

I'm stumped at this point. I got an eBay draft saved. I've joined 15+ Puma, Ford, Classic Car and local car sales groups on Facebook. It's not as simple as wanting to give up. I am plagued with doubts. Every time I sold my previous Pumas I was gutted. Sure, the initial excitement of a new car clouds your judgement. But the Puma has buckets more personality than most cars. Also, a car that's fast from the forecourt isn't as appealing to me as something that was already capable - but turned into something that genuinely feels extraordinary. My ST180 was beautiful - but it felt too tame. The Puma is the exact opposite. For someone who is 6'4" - refinement or practicality is out the window, and yet - it feels right.

It's the money though, it's a drain. It continues to be a drain. I know J has meant well, but the delays have probably thrown the biggest spanner in the works. Even to this day it can be hard to pin him down for definite dates on work to be done. I get it - he's busy. I also know he's invested a lot in this car, like I have. He is pushing for me to keep the car. I know all of you are.

I know going to Lightning Motorsport or Allison Automotive could probably fix the gremlins. But at what cost? I've thrown so much at this project and I've got such mixed emotions about the car. I feel like it's cursed and yet amazing at the same time. Bit like the ups and downs with my personality I guess.

Let me be 100% honest though. Sitting on the decision about wanting to sell the car hasn't felt right. But forseeing the possibility of spending hundreds or thousands more is also, just as unappealing. I know I don't want to leave it like this. I never wanted the car to be half finished. I wanted to see this car through. I still do in all honesty. Maybe if I make a saving with driving a God awful 1.2 litre Polo to and from work for a few months I can get the car in with Justin to get worked on again.

At the end of the day he owes me 2 full days work and we've got parts waiting to be fitted.

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"Mmmmkay."
"It isn't, but f__k it - at least I'm passionate about something."

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Post by raggamuffin » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:24 pm

Seems I've backtracked and put it on eBay. Was driving the Polo over the weekend and commuting into work today. No issues whatsoever. Comfortable, quiet, smooth and seemingly reliable.

Even if everything was working on the Puma is wouldn't be comfortable, practical or economical enough for daily use. Plus with the way it's been modified it encourages me to drive like an idiot.

Someone did mention a query on one of the FB groups I posted the add to: a compression test? Could this be what's causing the low RPM judder?

Anyways, for those interested:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Puma-1- ... 3813576992

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Post by grogee » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:52 am

st220kyle wrote:
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Hopefully you've done it, it's quite rewarding repairing faults on your own car. I would of thought you could do the door cards yourself too. There's always going to be things you need an expert for but why don't you see what you can do yourself? It might make you feel a bit more positive about the car and what you've achieved.
It's a slippery slope! There's not much I wouldn't try these days but it wasn't always like that. The successes you have make you grow in confidence to tackle bigger jobs. And the money you save enables you to buy the tools you need to do them!

I'm not pretending I don't make mistakes - I make a lot of them. I try to learn from them. And if I'm feeling down about it, I console myself with the fact that I've still saved money over paying someone else to do it.

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Fitted 4 new(ish) tyres only to discover 3 wheels were buckled and needed replacing - so had to go and source some replacement wheels and pay for the tyre fitting all over again.

Fitted the steering wheel remote stalk, bodged up the soldering so much the connectors fell off and rendered it useless. Had to buy another part and fit it.

Fitted new front wishbones but caught the ball joint boot on the dust shield and put a nick in it. Found a way of repairing with silicone tape.

Put the plastic rocker cover cover back on, did bolts too tight. Broke cover getting it off, had to buy replacement.

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Post by raggamuffin » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:24 pm

At this stage it's over to someone else to take over the project and get it finished.

I joined over 30 Facebook groups for Pumas, Fords, classic cars and local car sales and posted the eBay listing link.

After 25 hours since listing I'm currently at £501.51 with the stats as follows: 658 views, 31 watchers, 15 bids. Timed it so it'll finish Friday evening and then it'll be good for collection this weekend.

I'd been a little worried when looking at other Pumas for sale. However, none of them have had the amount of work or money put into them as I've done with mine. Yes, it's far from perfect - but it's had a lot of the big jobs done. I've got a feeling it'll go to an enthusiast, which makes me feel happier about parting with it.

On the VW side of things, I've done 76.8 miles and the fuel gauge hasn't even gone below the first increment. Not even bothered to thrash it, there's no point. It's back to pottering around driving like a granny again.

Maybe a few years down the line I might reconsider getting another project car. Although I don't think I'd want to go as in depth as I have done with this project.

Famous last words.

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Post by raggamuffin » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:18 pm

On another note. Once the car is sold I'll be selling the following:

x3 OMP strut braces (in red) - £75 (£25 cheaper than what I bought them for)
Stage 2 clutch (new) - £175 (£39 cheaper than what I bought it for)
millennium edition front and rear door cards £100 (£50 cheaper than what I bought them for)

No offers. I've already knocked off a fair amount from each compared to what I bought them for.

If anyone's interested in any of these please PM me.

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Post by tuonokid » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:55 am

Hi Ed
I've occasionally had a look at your post and the problems you've had and wondered if you've kept the standard throttle body with the TPS untouched. It might be worth trying to fit that back on the engine rather than the mondeo throttle body but if you have removed the TPS from the original throttle body forget what I've said.
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Post by raggamuffin » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:47 pm

J did say the idling was perfect on the standard throttle body, after he'd done some alterations to the idle air valve.

But he fitted the Mondeo one like I asked. However, he hasn't had the car since to put back on the standard throttle body.

Now that the car is being sold as is, I'll let whoever buys it know that it probably needs a standard throttle body back on.

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Post by Van_Dammesque » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:07 pm

Wouldn't that be a simple swap, then resetting the ECU, max 1 hour to do it?
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Post by raggamuffin » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:28 pm

Parts are with J. ECU reset after doing the MAF and all other sensors unfortunately did nothing. We were going to put the original throttle body back on to potentially fix the rough idling issue. However, it's been a real issue pinning J down for firm dates on working on the car since I've got it back. Seems he has more work than he can handle.

The delays with J, the cost and the issues that aren't getting fixed after all these new parts are the main reasons I'm giving up at this point. Truthfully though, I know J has meant well - but it's been the main point of frustration throughout the project. He's a good mechanic, and when he does work on the car he's been doing 12+ hour days and made good progress.

I'm under no illusion that I'll only get a fraction of the money back when I sell it compared to what I put into the car. I also know that it's probably seen as foolish to give up at this point on the car. I've gone without having any real spare money for over a year now and in all honesty I'm utterly fed up with the car at this point. I can't thank you enough for all the support you've given me over this past year with the project. I only wish it'd worked out better in the end.

The cars now for sale though. I'm not doing any more to it other than cleaning it before it's taken away this weekend. I've got a feeling it will go to an enthusiast:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Puma-1- ... 3813576992

Next week I'll collect the bits J didn't fit and list those on eBay if they're not bought by people here or on Puma/Ford groups on Facebook: stage 2 clutch, OMP struts x3 and millennium edition front and rear door cards.

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Post by Van_Dammesque » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:18 pm

I understand your frustration mate! Hope you get a price that you can be happy about! :ok:
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Post by raggamuffin » Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:42 pm

The icing on the cake - my new car has broken down. Engine management light came on and it lost all power, leaving me stranded on the way to work.

Got it recovered, taken back to the garage where I bought it from. The guy offered a 6 month mechanical warranty, but the car can't get looked at until Monday and they can't offer a courtesy car.

Don't really want to cancel my eBay listing on the Puma though. Probably going to have to rely on lifts.

I can't seem to catch a break.

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Post by Van_Dammesque » Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:25 pm

OMG mate your luck with cars is crazy!
Maybe get a bus pass :p Hopefully this crap joke will cheer you up! :-P

Get another cheap Puma! :?:
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Post by raggamuffin » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:00 am

Little research and this problem seems to suggest a coil pack, lambda or cylinder misfire. So much for German reliabiliy, turns out this model was made in Spain ¡Ay, caramba!

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Hoping it's one of the first 2. I'd been pottering around driving like a granny since I got it. 50mph top speed everywhere to get the max mpg. Wound up with 7mpg higher than the manufacturer's combined MPG rating. Hitting 55 consistently.

First time I decide to go above that speed and I'm cruising at 70, see an old work colleague, no less than J's wife who was en route to visiting our office. I overtake. Get it up to 80mph and the engine management light comes on. Powers going.

Get off the dual carriageway a minute later and upon leaving a roundabout I thought I had it in too high a gear. I change down and it's got no power. So I pull onto the grass. Switched it off, turned it back on and it was running very rough.

Strangely, when the recovery guy drove it off the truck at the garage the engine management light was off and the car ran smoothly.

Who knows? Hopefully a quick fix. Least it's under warranty.

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Post by raggamuffin » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:34 am

Getting a compression test done for good measure too.

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Post by Simonavis » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:44 am

Maybe the Puma gods are trying to tell you something............quick cancel the eBay listing whilst you still have a chance.
I am with Barry, change back to a standard throttle body, or it might potentially be worth looking at getting the ecu remapped, you have after all fitted improved air intake mods, up rated camshafts and sports exhaust manifold. I am wondering if the standard map needs a bit of a tweak to get the best out of all the upgrades as from reading your thread I am not sure you are even running a “TAPE” ecu with FRP map.
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Post by raggamuffin » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:00 am

Standard map on an X reg Puma. I did think a remap might help. I did consider removing the listing so I had a car until the Polo is fixed. However, I'm sticking by my guns and selling the car.

9.5 hours to go.

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Post by raggamuffin » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:45 pm

Sold for £532.

£18 less than I originally bought it for.

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Least it's going to an enthusiast. Collecting it next Saturday.

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Post by raggamuffin » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:54 pm

Thanks again for everyones input over the project.

Don't think I'll ever do another car project again after this experience.

Take care all.

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Post by Simonavis » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:12 am

raggamuffin wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:45 pm
Sold for £532.

£18 less than I originally bought it for.

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Least it's going to an enthusiast. Collecting it next Saturday.

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Ouch :( :( That is a final kick in the teeth. If I was you I would be wishing he doesn’t turn up to collect it!!!!
The intake manifold has got to be worth that alone.
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Post by raggamuffin » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:01 am

It is what it is. I been speaking to the chap collecting it. He wants it as a project & track day car. Seems to be a Ford enthusiast, so at least it'll be going to a good home.

Also means I can use the Puma until the Polo is fixed, which should hopefully be on Tuesday.

You know my luck with the project - I just want rid of the car to be honest.

It'll be collected next Saturday and i'm happy about that to be honest. I really wish my first project car hadn't been such a disaster as I've always had a passion for cars and probably would've done another project in the future, had this one not been so costly and plagued with delays and problems.

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Post by red » Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:46 pm

:cry: well if you do end up with another Puma or just want to hang about. Then you know where we are!

Maybe the new owner will join up and we'll see what happens next..
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Post by raggamuffin » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:50 pm

How could this situation get better? Let me tell you how - the compression test revealed that the head is kaput. 2-3 weeks without the Polo.

Courtesy car in the mean time. Collecting it tomorrow.

Someone put me out my misery please.

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Post by red » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:32 pm

Is the Polo being fixed under the 'warranty' ?

At least you'll get a courtesy car this time.
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Post by raggamuffin » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:40 pm

He said all costs will be covered under warranty.

2005 Renault 1.6 petrol for a courtesy car. Did a road tax reg check to get the info. Apparently I have to pay for insurance myself though.

Least I won't be out of pocket that much.

I'm tempted to start saving more money and get something newer in the future. By the end of the year I could probably have enough saved to get a car that's only 2 or 3 years old and hopefully more reliable.

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