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Post by ian cox » Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:09 pm

Hi,
Every now and then I look at Autotrader and Pistonheads to see what Puma's are going for.
Looking the other day there were 3 cars over £2k and one above £3k on Autotrader alone :!: :?:
Either the trader has found a bargain or they are paying proper money to buy privately or at auction so maintaining profit margins.

Whether these prices are achieved is another matter but i do know some owners, perhaps, myself get a bit OCD about this.
I know I paid top money for my 3 owner 42k miles from new full service history car around 18 months ago. I did get a new clutch and cambelt in the price.

As I have said before the market will polarise as the best original cars will achieve the best money as many are shipped off to the scrap yard.

The discussion on whether a car is worth saving will get more marginal and this will drive suppliers, traders and Ford specialists in general to up their game and start supporting Puma's with greater commercial desire.
Events such as Ford Fair will start to change with a classic section getting bigger and distinctly separate from the new cars with their tuning sections. The scrabble for NOS parts will intensify and drive prices up until the supply improves. Like the ESP news for example. This is just a function of time.

Just an observation and 'you cant drive money' :grin: :P :lol:

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Post by Cherie » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:25 pm

This is an debate, and whilst old Fords do seem to fetch stupid money, I don't think the average Puma will ever command and be worth those kind of prices. FRPs maybe, and potentially the special editions, but even though I still miss my old Millennium, I would not pay the prices that are being asked by some sellers. They see a small number of cars available for sale, and bump the price up. Unfortunately, rarity does not always mean that anything is worth more.
Events such as Ford Fair will start to change with a classic section getting bigger and distinctly separate from the new cars with their tuning sections.
Not a chance. Classics are a minority at Ford Fair, always have been. Even the Classic Ford official stand has been declining over the years, and was ousted from it's central spot this year. The displays have been dominated by STOC & RSOC in recent years, and the clubs for older cars have often decided that the show is no longer appropriate for them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting the Puma down, I'm just a little more realistic (maybe a bit cynical) than some people appear to be.
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Post by oilburner » Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:43 pm

There are some seriously optimistically priced Pumas around at the moment, one on eBay for £2.5k, 87k on the clock so not even that low mileage and needs the bonnet and roof respraying!
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Post by Sylvester » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:33 pm

Those prices from dealers, private sellers sell between 500-1000
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Post by redexr » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:26 pm

The Puma is in the same financial bracket at the mk1 and mk2 fiestas were 10 to 15 years ago when nobody wanted them and they were still quite common. I was buying mk2 xr2 cars for under 200 quid to break, cars that would now be resto projects and worth 1500 at least. These were cars built in much higher quantity than the Puma and they vanished fast. The number of standard puma 1.7.cars left has more than halved in last 3 years alone. In 2028 we will.be wishing we'd saved more of these or bought them cheap.in 2018 and stored them.
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Post by ian cox » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:30 pm

Hi
Looked at Autotrader this morning and holy cow.
Two cars at Oakwood one at 30k sold for around £4990 and a Thunder at 40k miles up for £4490. Then a block of cars in the £2.5k to £3.5k band.
IMHO dealers are looking for the best cars right now as car quality polarises quickly as numbers diminish rapidly.

Just my thoughts.

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Post by DradusContact » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:04 am

There are cars that come alone and sometimes they just don't quite connect with the public despite being good cars. The original corrado and scirocco come to mind. I think this is still the case with the puma, too many of the jeremey Clarkson crowd still think of it as a hairdressers/girls car. The same people who dismissed the X-Type as being a mondeo because it used the same chassis.

The puma will have its day, it's a shame it never got it during its initial run.
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Post by XAF » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:09 pm

One day one of these low mileage minters will come up near me but it doesn’t seem to happen. I’d love to know where these dealers find them.

I’d pay good money for a mint one, but sadly most of the mint ones are far from it.

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Post by raggamuffin » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:08 pm

Low mileage cars make me wonder if these cars are used for a lot of short journeys. I know a low mileage looks appealing, but I thought that repeated short trips weren't good for an engine? Not giving the engine time to warm up properly etc. Especially if occurring on a regular basis?

Not to say that every low mileage car was repeatedly used on such trips, but it does make me wonder just how good a deal you're getting.

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Post by DradusContact » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:36 pm

raggamuffin wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:08 pm
Low mileage cars make me wonder if these cars are used for a lot of short journeys. I know a low mileage looks appealing, but I thought that repeated short trips weren't good for an engine? Not giving the engine time to warm up properly etc. Especially if occurring on a regular basis?

Not to say that every low mileage car was repeatedly used on such trips, but it does make me wonder just how good a deal you're getting.

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Very true you have to look at every factor not just mileage.
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Post by ian cox » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:49 pm

Hi

My name is Ian and I too have an incurable affliction driven my methods of transport based hydro carbons.

Is there a cure :lol:

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Post by ian cox » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:14 pm

Hi
Practical Classics magazine have just added the Puma to their pricing list for 2019.
Concurs/dealer price is £1850 going down to £500 for a project.

I looked at 911's I used to own and wish I had kept them all.
1996 Carrera RS 3.8l £300k, 1973 Carrera RS Touring 2.7l £350k and 1969 2.2s £135k. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Post by sickofguessing » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:13 pm

Jeez, Paid £200 for mine with a headgasket gone, both rear arches wrecked and for some reason someone cut open under the passanger floor to get to the fuel sender and just put an asda plastic bag down to stop it cutting up the seat.
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Post by grogee » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:41 am

Interesting debate. I'm in the process of fixing up a Y-reg 1.7, the bodywork jobs include both sills, front wing and rear arch. This lot alone will cost me in the region of £1500, way more than the car is worth. That's before the mechanical improvements/repairs are accounted for.

I suppose what I'm saying is that to get my money back in a few months when it's all done would be maybe £3k and nobody would pay that.

My 'gamble' is that like all old Fords, prices will rise as rarity creeps in and all the rusty ones get scrapped. But it's a long term punt if it ever happens at all.

Not that I'm doing this as an investment - I'm doing it because I think it's a great car!
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