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Fit 300mm Brakes how to guide

Post by ScubaSteve » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:24 pm

this cost me about 120 altogether, that included the calipers, new disc, pads, and repair kit for the calipers

To complete this conversion you will need the following,

Essential:

Calipers from a mk3 Mondeo, 2000-2007
Brake pads for a Mondeo mk3, 2000-2007
Focus ST170 Discs - 300mm
13mm Socket
15mm Socket
12mm Socket
10mm Spanner
9mm Spanner
12.5mm Drill Bit + Drill
Caliper Carrier bolts x 4, p/n 6668956/1447853
WD-40
1 Litre Brake fluid
Cling film.

Optional:

Brake seal/Dust seal/slide bolt bush/Bleed screw repair kit - can be obtained from http://www.biggred.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for around £25 if you wish to repair and replace seals in your new/2nd hand calipers.
If you dont have two people you will need a 1 man brake bleed kit - eg. Gunsons Eezi bleed.

Guide:

First off jack up the car and rest on axle stands. Remove road wheels.

Open the brake fluid reservoir cap and place some cling film over the hole like so, this will help prevent liquid escaping when you remove the brake hoses off the old calipers.

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Next up, loosen, but do not fully undo the brake hose from the caliper. If you fully remove it now you will be dripping and losing brake fluid whilst you are drilling holes in your hub knuckle.

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Remove the 13mm caliper carrier bolts as pictured. They may be quite tight.

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And slide the caliper off your disc.

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Cable tie your caliper so it isnt dangling only being support by the brake hose.

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Now you are ready to widen your holes in your hub knuckles, this is what you will be drilling.

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Drill out the holes with your 12.5mm drill, take it slowly and use plenty of WD40 as cooling agent.

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Now your holes should be big enough to fit your new 15mm caliper carrier bolts through.

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Slide on the new disc

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Now take your old caliper and cut off the cable tie holding it, you will now need to twist the caliper round so the brake hose unscrews, have your new calipers ready as brake fluid will start to dribble out.

When the hose is removed screw it on the new caliper in the same fashion, by turning the caliper, not the hose.

Tighten the hose into the caliper with the 10mm spanner.

Then slide on your caliper assembly over the disc.

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Now screw your new caliper retainer bolts, but only a few turns.

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Retighten the brake hose fully to 13nm, this may twist the brake hose and you will need to remove the caliper again to make sure the hose is fully untwisted.

With the caliper back on, and the brake hose done up tightly to 13nm screw your 15mm caliper retainer bolts in all the way to 58nm.

Check your slide pin bolts are done up nice and tight to 25nm.

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Thats it you are halfway there, just got the otherside to do, I got caught in rain so nicked my mums sun brolly as they are away at the moment so cant moan at me

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old vs new!

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When you have done the otherside in the same fashion you will need to bleed the brakes either using the two man method, of, what I did, use a Gunsons Eezi Bleed kit which you can pick up from Halfords.

I bedded in using this guide

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_wa ... disk.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pics of them on

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Dunno if anyone wants to sticky this or what
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Re: Fit 300mm Brakes how to guide

Post by pumadad2010 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:14 am

deffo stickie mate excellent step by step

you forgot to mention removing the brake disk after removing the calliper before drilling holes

i like the fact you included torx settings ....excellent

looking at the pics of the callipers behind the 16 inch alloys they look awfully close im glad i fitted 17's now
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Post by yippeekiay » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:13 am

Nice one Steve. Found a little typo:- "Now your holes should be big enough to fit your new 15mm caliper carrier bolts through.".

As you know, should be 12mm not 15mm ;)
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Post by yippeekiay » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:15 am

pumakid2010 wrote: looking at the pics of the callipers behind the 16 inch alloys they look awfully close im glad i fitted 17's now
I think they look better behind 16's 'because' they are so close. Makes them look even bigger and stand out more as a serious braking setup ;)
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Re: Fit 300mm Brakes how to guide

Post by pumadad2010 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:19 am

yippeekiay wrote: Makes them look even bigger and stand out more
yeah good point
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Post by ScubaSteve » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:21 am

yippeekiay wrote:Nice one Steve. Found a little typo:- "Now your holes should be big enough to fit your new 15mm caliper carrier bolts through.".

As you know, should be 12mm not 15mm ;)
sorry i was refferring to the size of the head of the bolt not the thread lol, basically so people know what tool they need to be using!
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Post by red » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:37 am

Stickied, good guide. Thanks Steve.
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Re: Fit 300mm Brakes how to guide

Post by kev6970 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:24 am

Excellent guide. This on shopping list for new puma when get home.

If you dont mind me asking, what alloys are those 16's? Mondeo?
Do they need spacers to fit?
Need to bin the 15 props before can change my brakes over (dont fancy excessive grinder hacking!!) and these look good...
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Re: Fit 300mm Brakes how to guide

Post by FlashBastd » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:52 am

Steve's wheels are 7Jx16ET35 "Cosworth Design" wheels from the accessories catalogue. They are very similar to the 6.5Jx16ET40 Mondeo Zetec wheels, but crucially have an offset which better suit's the Puma. The Mondeo wheels IMO make the car drive like a dog.
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Re: Fit 300mm Brakes how to guide

Post by ScubaSteve » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:03 pm

what flash said.

my mate has the mondeo et40 ones, they look ok, and fit ok, and if your not bothered about the precision corner handling elements of your car then they are ok
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Post by Studge » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:38 pm

Mr ScubaSteve I take my hat off to your sir! :-D

Awesome little How to! :D

Got myself the calipers off E-bay, they should be here tomoz. :thumbs:

Just going to ring around my local car part shops for prices on the discs and pads, can get Mintex discs and pads off e-bay for £66.95 inc P&P, i think this is a good price but theres £13 P&P charges, so heres hoping i can get them alittle cheaper! :ok:

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Post by yippeekiay » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:33 pm

Yeah Stu, try your local motorfactor's etc. I got the mintex pads for only £14, I didn't get mintex discs but mine were £18.40 each but I was offered some for £16 if I would wait...WAIT!!...no chance....lol
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Post by Studge » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:33 pm

Hey Paul!

Yeah the Mintex Pads are £14, Mintex Discs £45 + £8 P&P £67 (E-Bay)

Best price from one store,

My other quote was from two stores and neither had both Discs and Pads, and wouldnt order them in, would rather pay the extra 5p, instead of F'in about with two stores.

Rang around, the prices on named stock is bloody STUPID!!

Cheapest Mintex discs i could get was £60 and Pads was £24.40! :shock:

So i think E-bay is the way forward! lol :-D
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Re: Fit 300mm Brakes how to guide

Post by kev6970 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:33 am

FlashBastd wrote:Steve's wheels are 7Jx16ET35 "Cosworth Design" wheels from the accessories catalogue. They are very similar to the 6.5Jx16ET40 Mondeo Zetec wheels, but crucially have an offset which better suit's the Puma. The Mondeo wheels IMO make the car drive like a dog.
Thanks for the info.
What 'accessories catalogue' ??
Ford themselves or other company??
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Post by ScubaSteve » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:01 am

PART 2

If you own a 2000> year puma, you may be running the newer style servo and master cylinder setup, this is inefficient with the larger brake setup.

Fitting the older style servo and master cylinder improves things a lot, the pedal is firmer and the braking is far strong and responsive.

I carried out the swap last weekend and was surprised at the difference it makes.

If you want to determine what you are running look under the bonnet, the new style has a silver master cylinder with both brake lines on the left hand side and looks like this

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The old style has a black master cylinder and the brakes lines come out one each side and looks like this

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You can get all the stuff for about 40 quid for a scrappy you will need

Old style (black) master cylinder with servo.
Vacuum hose for old setup
The 2 brake lines going to the abs pump from the old setup

Basic guide to fit,

Disconnect battery and remove with the tray, siphon out all the fluid in the resevoir, release the crimp clip and pull the clutch slave pipe off the side of the resevoir, unscrew the 2 brake lines from the master cylinder to the abs pump, remove vacuum hose from servo into the throttle body by pushing in the plastic bush/housing the pipe slides into and pulling the pipe out, then undo the four bolts on the back of the servo, pull the servo forward until you gain access to the clevis pin at the back where the servo joins the cross shaft, pull off the slide pin and remove the clevis pin then the whole lot will come out.

Refit the old style stuff, bleed the brakes before you reconnect the battery, in the order of rear left, front right, rear right, front left.
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Post by yippeekiay » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:43 pm

Nice one Steve,

However, I won't be doing this change though as mine are very strong especially compared to what the brakes were like on 260mm discs. I can't see any inefficiencies in them (my brakes) that would warrant me changing them in case it was wasted time & money. Then again, I have nothing to gage it against so you could be bang on. How did you find out about this possible flaw in the new cylinder out of interest?

Did you just change it for the old one cos it was all you could find cos your's was on it's way out?
Or did you change it because you found some specs/info that said it was better?

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Post by red » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:02 pm

The information about the older servo vs the newer servo has been around for a while.

I don't recall anyone actually testing the theory though.
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Post by woody21 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:31 am

hi whats the smallest wheels these fit behinde
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Post by yippeekiay » Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:25 am

15's with a little grinding to the carrier's to avoid catching the inner rim but will fit most 16's without any grinding but I've also heard some had to fit wheel spacers in case the carriers caught the inside face of the wheel on both 15's & 16's.
Mine fitted with plenty of spare room all round for my 16's.

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Post by Fordfreak » Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:56 am

yippeekiay wrote:Yeah Stu, try your local motorfactor's etc. I got the mintex pads for only £14, I didn't get mintex discs but mine were £18.40 each but I was offered some for £16 if I would wait...WAIT!!...no chance....lol
If anyone is interested. Halfords trade do the disks for £18.83 and the pads are around £10. Both are either OEM or meet OEM.
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Post by FlashBastd » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:26 am

kev6970 wrote:
FlashBastd wrote:Steve's wheels are 7Jx16ET35 "Cosworth Design" wheels from the accessories catalogue. They are very similar to the 6.5Jx16ET40 Mondeo Zetec wheels, but crucially have an offset which better suit's the Puma. The Mondeo wheels IMO make the car drive like a dog.
Thanks for the info.
What 'accessories catalogue' ??
Ford themselves or other company??
O/T, and sorry for that, but from the Ford accessories catalogue.

There was a thread about them within the last week or so, which included the FINIS code, but I can't find it right now.
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Post by FlashBastd » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:35 am

red wrote:The information about the older servo vs the newer servo has been around for a while.

I don't recall anyone actually testing the theory though.
Steve and I corresponded about this quite a bit, I have been spouting this crap for a while, but didn't manage to get (all) of the bits together, Steve actually got around to doing it! Several guys on zsoc have done the same and been pleased with the results.

Credit is actually due to Tony @ PS, it was him who suggested it to me.

Just bizarre that it doesn't seem to make any difference on a FRP, but no matter, that it makes a difference with Mk3 Mondeo and/or ST170 brakes is the important bit.
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Post by woody21 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:19 am

yippeekiay wrote:15's with a little grinding to the carrier's to avoid catching the inner rim but will fit most 16's without any grinding but I've also heard some had to fit wheel spacers in case the carriers caught the inside face of the wheel on both 15's & 16's.
Mine fitted with plenty of spare room all round for my 16's.

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Thanks mate if i keep the car i am deffo doing this is the bolts dealer part only
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Post by yippeekiay » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:07 pm

The M12 carrier bolts? I'm sure you could buy some from elsewhere but they're only a fiver for the 4 so hardly worth the trouble.
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Re: Fit 300mm Brakes how to guide

Post by Studge » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:40 pm

The part number for

Caliper Carrier bolts x 4

is now EXPIRED!

New Part Number is 1447853 (tcH £6.36 for 4)

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