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Postby Frank » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:36 am

g-whizz wrote:Source of the post It's also had new links & 'bones, though I must confess, I didn't do 'em :shock: this was down to my jack playing up

Ah, the old 'My jack was playing up' excuse, eh?

This stuff is not 'all or nothing', no one feels 'guilty' if they don't fix their own PC, they just do what they can or turn the job over right from the start. Same with cars.

Most people are also more capable than they think they are and the proof lies in just the sheer number on non-professionally trained cooks who never actually starve to death and somehow manage to feed themselves.

As I wrote, it doesn't have to be 'all or nothing' and I'm glad that threads like this exist in a car forum. My advice is to research well and then have a go. A lot of this stuff is really not that hard, but just be aware that some is. Learn to know the difference and you're good to go. :-)

Plus, with the coming of the Internet, this stuff is easier these days. Here is what most Main Dealer Parts Departments in London and South East England were like prior to the Internet - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoPXQ9fotZM

(seriously, some of those places were truly bizarre and I've seen parts guys dragged over the counters and whacked, when they did it to the wrong guy, and all sorts, back in the day. It was like something out of a Wild West saloon!)
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Postby g-whizz » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:51 pm

I confess to a tiny shred of guilt but mainly to a big slice of smile at getting the links & 'bones done (& my front wheels balanced) for £25 :grin: I was quite happy to have a crack at it but with the MOT pressing & my jack not following suit I figured this was one of those "discretion is the..." moments.

...(Not so) Funnily enough, I am also about to tackle my PC as Win10 has crashed after trying to reactivate Kaspersky, won't even accept a standard reboot with the media creation tool so my only hope now is a custom reboot with a partition otherwise it's a factory reset of the laptop and total loss of documents, images and all data bar the original OS (Win7) :evil: ...Not everything it seems is better since t'internet :-)
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Postby Frank » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:52 pm

g-whizz wrote:Source of the post ...(Not so) Funnily enough, I am also about to tackle my PC as Win10 has crashed

Sorry, I should have made that part clearer, I was comparing the hardware side, not software :-) i.e. why do people not feel bad about not fixing one type of machine, but often do about a different type of machine.


g-whizz wrote:Source of the post otherwise it's a factory reset of the laptop and total loss of documents, images and all data bar the original OS (Win7) :evil:

You can avoid that possibility of data loss if you put a small Linux distro (operating system) on a flashdrive, boot into that and grab all the personal stuff off the Windows OS partition and save it to flashdrive or external hdd/ssd. In other words, the Linux Operating System will give you access to the information stored on the Windows OS (the only exception is if Windows was hibernated, not shutdown before it blew up) This is a good automated tool for that - https://unetbootin.github.io/ and pick a simple Linux distro, like Puppy. Once you've done the flashdrive, you got it forever and never have to worry about data loss on Windows ever again. Hope that helps.

Linux stuff is pretty good and is my main OS these days (on this PC, I 'quad boot' - choice of 3 different Linux OSs and 1 Windows OS on boot) I only know M$ up to Win7 though.
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Postby g-whizz » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:07 pm

Well, lately I've felt like a contestant on Strictly Dumb Dancing as it's been a case of one step forwards, two back, one forward.

You may remember I had a cambelt change that was something of a poor job and so needed re-timing by another mechanic? Well.....

On the front foot, I had a trip to Barnsley to pick up the leather rear seats (see photo in post from 09/02/17) and then over to Huddersfield to see Barry (and his lovely red Puma) and grab the rear bumper from his scrapper for a forthcoming project idea. Cheers for that mate.

All in all, it was a very pleasant trip, not even marred by the fact that Barry had promised Custards Creams but delivered Bourbons, you just can't trust anyone these days :lol:

Pleasant until the last 10 miles that was, when it soon became apparent that you really can't trust anyone these days as my engine started playing up again. With it repeatedly cutting out, I had to keep the revs high with the right foot, use the clutch with the left and the handbrake to slow at the lights and junctions; it was "fun".

So, on the back foot, out with the Forscan and yup, it's Bletchley Park in there: there was the P1381 code again (VCT overadvanced, bank A) only this time it was having a hut party with C1967 (RDO short circuit to ground, whatever that is) and B2261 (Parking lamp switch failure, which we're assuming is side lights?) It was that damn P code again though I was most concerned about. Comedy is apparently all about timing and cars must be very similar because when it's out, it just ain't funny.

On chatting to my mechanic mate it transpires that somehow (despite my informing him of the need for them) new stretch bolts were not used in the re-time. I despaired but at least it seemed we had a diagnosis.

Trying to get just the replacement bolts on their own though proved something of a stretch in itself. I was getting conflicting info from local Ford dealers (both in terms of part numbers and the nomenclature of the required bolts) while neither Dayco or Gates supply them separately. Eventually, after a bit of detective work, I managed to narrow it down. For future ref... the VCT pulley bolt is Ford 1126969 and the crankshaft bolt is 1057134.

My eyes widened though at the cost. The Ford dealer quoted me just over £15 for the VCT pulley bolt (on eBay they were just under £14) and just under a fiver for the crankshaft pulley bolt, which on eBay were double the price for one listing and £15 for the other. Maybe they should be called "stretching it" bolts?

My eyes positively popped out though when, after discovering a bit of wear around the bolt hole on the VCT pulley itself, I asked Ford how much a new pulley would cost.... a rather staggering £520 being the reply!!!
So a 2nd hand one at £42 from Ian G it was, cheers fella.

With all that done, car was re-timed and taken out for a test drive ... and the little b*gger did exactly the same thing again!! Another step back goes I. :evil:

My mechanic was rather stumped and I was something else rather more fruitily Anglo-Saxon... so in desperation, I put out a shout to the stout-hearted souls of Project Puma via "Help Me" and in an avalanche of indifference received exactly zero replies. I was now feeling sorry for myself.

Then, just as I railed against "The Gods" for their capricious nature; the Variable Control Timing* for being far too variable and not nearly controlled enough, and I was on the verge of abandoning all hope, there was a crack of thunder (I really need to change my ringtone) and then the voice of an angel come to deliver me from my torment... actually it was more of a baritone Yorkshireman as it was Barry on the phone, my hero! (He has long flowing locks just like Fabio too...honest!)

He reckoned that my mech' hadn't actually followed the correct procedure regarding the tensioner as outlined in the Gates tech bulletin. Now this would have been entirely feasible if not for the fact that I had specifically warned my mechanic about this rather specific procedure, and sent him the specific tech bulletin (twice) and also sent him a link to the very specific "How To Guide" with illustrated Ford TIS from PP's own pages...(all in all, I thought I'd been quite specific on this point) so surely Barry was, dare I say it, gulp, wrong?!

After chatting it through Barry kindly also agreed to speak to my mech' mate and at that point I learnt two valuable lessons...

1) When it comes to Puma cambelts, Barry is never wrong!
2) When it comes to mechanics, the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" might have been invented for them, if it hadn't already been invented for horses of course. Hmmm, how about "You can lead a mechanic to data but you can't make them think?" :wink:

That's really overly harsh to my mate to be fair, it's more that because they have done cambelts X times they think the Puma is just another job, and even if you tell them it isn't they can adopt that "yeah,yeah,yeah, I'll be fine" attitude... which eventually ends up with three attempts at re-timing someone else's poor cambelt change. Four attempts by two different mechanics should be a warning to anyone that the Puma needs more attention than most in this department.

My advice is: if you are going to tackle this yourself make sure you've got the skills and the specific tools and that you follow the Gates bulletin and Barry's wise words to the letter.
Cheers again for all your help on it mate. :ok:

If you can't take it on yourself then get a mechanic who's done Puma VCT's successfully before or, failing that, give him all the information and INSIST he reads & FULLY understands it (among other things, the correct pre-tensioning of the adjuster is critical) and preferably kidnap his family pet as insurance that the job is done correctly. Fido's tooth for a tooth jumped seems fair.

In the North West, there is at least one more mechanic who could now do it as he's had enough practice... though whether he'll ever want to see a Puma again after the amount of stick he's had over this is another question :lol:

So, hopefully, after another set of bolts, it's now one step forward again and my timing tango is complete... next up, a rumba with rust....

*Edit it's actually "Variable Camshaft Timing", maybe that was my problem all along? :?
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Postby red » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:13 pm

:grin: you make such a woeful story sound very amusing.

Odd you had no replies in the help section, usually someone chimes in, and I didn't even see it to be fair.

Fingers crossed it's all sorted and you've seen the back of that now :grin:
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Postby g-whizz » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:32 pm

red wrote:Source of the post :grin: you make such a woeful story sound very amusing.

Odd you had no replies in the help section, usually someone chimes in, and I didn't even see it to be fair.

Fingers crossed it's all sorted and you've seen the back of that now :grin:


Cheers & no worries Matt, only referenced it to reflect my pitiful state at the time... & make Barry look even more heroic :wink:
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Postby tuonokid » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:40 pm

Awww thanks Greg and sos about the Bourbons but Fabio, really!!! More like Albert (Steptoe) :grin:
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