My Puma 1.7, more than a year on (A works in progress)

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Postby tuonokid » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:51 pm

Hi Rob
I sort of knew you'd comment on this but I thought it might have been "that's a dumbass place to put a shed" :grin:
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Postby Robyorks » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:24 am

I was actually wondering how the hell you planned to move it round the back? It must weigh a ton!
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Postby tuonokid » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:33 am

Hi Rob
It strips down, I've made it into a few bolted panels. The base is solid as is the back and front but I used 90 deg brackets with captive nuts. It does weigh a ton but I can strip it down by myself. The hardest bit is going to be how to paint it but the steel is so thick I might even just waxoil it.
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Postby Robyorks » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:39 am

Can't you still buy brush on etch primer for that kind of job??
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Postby tuonokid » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:11 am

Yeah, I've got some
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Postby tuonokid » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:05 pm

Well, after having a long weekend driving the Puma over 400 miles to Donington and back and then Silverstone I have a better idea about the handling and ride quality of my car. First of all the front, it still is way too hard in the way it handles potholes/low manholes and then the back end seems too soft and the rear tyres are catching the top of the mudflaps particularly on the undulations on the M1 motorway around Nottinghamshire. I tried bouncing the front end of the car and it seems pretty solid (as in not moving at all) so I took a photo inside the wheel of the spring with the car sat normally on the ground.

Image090820173475 by barry wilson, on Flickr

So looking at this the spring is nearly coilbound so suspension travel is really limited but I have the platforms wound up as far as I dare to make sure my front tyres don't catch on anything so I'll wind down the platforms in small stages to see if I can keep the ride height and regain some suspension travel. If that doesn't work I'll have to check the spring poundages and perhaps order some more from AVO as they do different rates and lengths. Once I sort the front end out I'll move onto the rear end but that may involve buying some rear AVO coilovers if I can get hold of some.
Whilst I was at Donington I thought that there was a photo oppertunity I couldn't miss and it also shows how low the car sits.

Image040820173470 by barry wilson, on Flickr
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2001 ColOrado red Puma 1.7, work in progress.
Westfield SEIW 1800 Zetec.
Building Westfield SEI 2.0 Zetec Blacktop on TBs.
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1975 Yamaha TY80
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Postby Robyorks » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:40 pm

I love the way it looks on the 17's but having tried standard and lowered, I would take comfort over cosmetics any day of the week.
I hope you figure it out mate, those wheels don't half suit it!
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Postby tuonokid » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:56 pm

Hi Rob
Thanks for that, the look is nearly everything on this car but it's not exactly good to drive. I will get there in the end but it may take some trial and error.
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Postby Wild E. Coyote » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:19 pm

Ah, lovely car!!! :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
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Postby tuonokid » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:42 pm

Cheers Sinisa :-)
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Postby tuonokid » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:52 pm

I've not done much on the Puma over the last month as I've been trying to finish off my shed/parts store but the other day I changed the engine oil/filter and whilst the car was in the air I lowered the front spring platforms. This turned out to be real easy as I didn't even have to take the wheels off as the platforms are higher than the top of the tyre. I'd set the platforms previously so that there was 60mm of thread beneath them which was as high as I'd dared go as the platform was already off the top of the threads on the strut.

Image240820173507 by barry wilson, on Flickr

So I wound back the platforms to 52mm of thread showing which dropped the ride height about 5mm as far as I could measure. In theory that should give me an extra 3mm of suspension travel, not exactly what I wanted but I did the RS national day on Sunday and Thoresby show on Monday in the Puma and it does seem to ride better at the front now. I definitely need to resolve the rear end now as it's bottoming on the top mudflap mounts quite often now almost as if the springs have gone saggy. The only difference between now and the last 3 years of driving this is that the tyre is 10mm taller than the old tyre that was on the car. I might even try the standard springs back on as it's not too hard to swap them out.
I've noticed this summer that people are starting to show a bit of interest in my Puma at shows whereas before they've just walked past previously, so maybe it's finally arriving :-)
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Postby rnnicol » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:19 pm

Hi Barry, there looking because it looks great and well cared for.
I went to a car show in the summer next to Edinburgh airport, wearing my puma T-shirt, to show my support for this great car, my wife got me tickets for my birthday, I went to look at the fords, not one puma on show, lots of fiesta, focus a few older models but no pumas, I was surprised. I do see a few on the roads, but not many, and most of them are looking abit rough.
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Postby tuonokid » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:00 pm

Hi Richard
I go to a lot of shows with both the Puma and the Westy and up to this year the Puma got no interest at all but I suppose that's because people are used to seeing tatty looking ones all over the place and don't bother to look when there's a tidy one. I honestly think that this year will be the end of the Puma as a relatively common sight as most of the un-restored or high mileage ones will go to the scrapyard, you can already see this with a lot of Pumas up for sale with no MOT (and asking too much for them). Once they're gone in significant numbers interest will start to grow in them as it's starting to do with newer Escorts.
How's your car coming on anyway, any progress on the welding?
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Postby rnnicol » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:34 pm

Hi Barry, nothing yet I'm afraid, I bought a set of sills and the inner sills, as you recommended and thought what the hell might as well buy these support panels that sit at the chassis number, those were around £50 each. I'm going to get some quotes for the remainder of the welding and at the Same time get the rear frp panels welded on rather than glued, as I'm hoping this will stop the water getting behind them and rotting them, as they did with James,s car.
I'm tempted to buy the frp wings on eBay, but the price tags abit rich for me at the moment.
In the meantime, I'm on the look out for recaro seat, I've got the std leather at the moment, but the recaro s will look great and suite the car when done.
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Postby tuonokid » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:00 pm

Hi Richard
Sounds like you're definitely going to do a right job on your car with all that new metal going on but it will still rust unless it's protected on both sides so give it a good waxoiling (or whatever) to the rear of all the panels including the chassis rails and strengtheners. I used a full gallon of waxoil on mine and it smelled horrible for about a year but it's worth it in the long run. Good luck with the Recaros, I was prepared to buy a knackered Milly to get some but ended up just being on this Forum when Tim advertised them for free. How lucky was that?
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Postby JAC » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:38 pm

Barry, your car should attract attention even in a show room, it looks better than new!

Just one thing... I had to go back as far as last year (nearly 10 pages) in the thread to see pics of your interior. I think your car (and this thread) deserves a "Photo Shoot" post, like a center spread :wink:
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Postby tuonokid » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:25 pm

Hi Mate
Thanks for that but it does have a few defects in the paint but it's good that the paint is mostly original. As far as the interior goes though I think James (XAF on here) deserves credit as he was the first one (I think) to fit the recaro fronts after he'd repainted them in the correct colour. I might be the first person to have the Recaro rears in the correct colour though :-)
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Postby Bentleya » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:44 pm

I'm sure if you send the seller a massage, he might be able to sort a deal with you :wink: .
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Postby moondustka » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:05 am

Barry, you can all sorts of 2 1/4' springs from rallydesign.co.uk

They sell different rates and lengths. You need longer springs on the front by the looks of it, probably another inch at least.
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Postby tuonokid » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:02 pm

Hi Ben
Yeah I think you're right about the springs needing to be longer and possibly a higher poundage rate but I'll wait until the car comes off the road at the end of this month and probably send the springs back to AVO. They can check the poundage for me and they also do different lengths and poundages of springs so I'll get a one stop shop. As for Rally design I keep well away from them as they have a terrible reputation amongst Westfield owners and I once bought some of their wishbone poly bushes that lasted less than 3000 miles.
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Postby moondustka » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:32 pm

Fair enough! I've had some of there springs and a few other bits with no probs.

I don't think you'll need the springs too much harder once they're longer.
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Postby ArtfulHussy » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:09 pm

What shocks is that you've got on it Barry? I used AVO GTZ front and back on 17s and I didn't think the ride was unbearable. The coil definitely was never wound up like that. :shock:
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Postby tuonokid » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:18 pm

Hi Emma
I'm pretty sure the fronts are AVO GTZs but unsure what the spring poundages are as the fronts came on the scrapper car I bought last year. To try and get a better ride on the car I swapped out the 205/40/17 tyres for 205/45/17s which meant that the front tyres would be 10mm closer to the inner wing flange and that's the reason why I wound the spring platforms right up to stop the tyres getting shredded on the wing flanges. This gave me the problem of the springs going virtually coil bound and reducing the shock travel. So the last time I meddled with it I wound the platforms down but the car nearly dropped the same amount as I wound down the platforms. I suppose the only conclusion I can make is the springs may have gone saggy and I need to replace them with longer ones or maybe longer ones with a heavier spring rate.
You haven't got a set of rear GTZ's to sell, by any chance? :-)
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Postby ArtfulHussy » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:49 pm

I do but they come as part of a full set I'm afraid! :lol:
Have you fettled with the damping rates on the fronts as well?
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Postby tuonokid » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:17 pm

Hi Emma
I wound them up to the softest setting when I first put them on and then wound them down either one half or a full rotation after I had the first drive. Once I have a set of springs I'm happy with on the front then I'll experiment with the damper settings. Once that's sorted I need to get the back end done as it's a bit bouncy. I might have to put an ad up on here for some rear AVO's then :-(

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On the upside my Puma parts shed is nearly finished now :grin:
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2001 ColOrado red Puma 1.7, work in progress.
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