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Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:04 am
by zinc2000
Car looked ok when I saw it earlier this year, looking really good now, all the wrapping looks cool, top job.
New seats look good too, i remember having a similar problem years ago with a bucket seat, very comfortable until I actually drove the car!!

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:52 pm
by HampusSoder
grayfox wrote:
HampusSoder wrote: I'm sorry to bother but looking for some help regarding the Turini 16"s.

What is the offset of the ones you have?

I'm finding that the recommended for the Puma on 16s are between 34 and 38. Meanwhile I can only find Turini's with either 28 or 42. :/
Hi, wasn't ignoring your Q just hadn't been on here for a while. They were advertised as ET35 but when I turned up at the guys house they were ET42 (this was years ago!) I've noticed zero difference on the road, I tend to only use them on track if its wet (as they're are wrapped in Rainsports) years of different peoples experiences with different offsets on here, ET28 would handle better then ET42 (although obviously ET34/35 would be ideal)
Haha, will start with writing the same, I've not been on for a while now, but thanks a lot for the answer, very helpful!

Will still wait a while to buy but Turini's are definitely what I'm still after! :grin:

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:58 pm
by grayfox
Hi all, just letting you know this thread is still alive by the way although the car has been parked up since the start of December!

It's 10 years since I brought the car today and also its 18th Birthday this weekend so need to start treating her a bit better (can literally take her down the pub now!)

I'd ordered some bits to spruce it up for a much needed trackday in the next month or so - got a brand new mondeo mk3 Master Brake Cylinder coming and a set of weld-in bars/floating bracketing so I can get my drivers seat lower, giving it a good service to with some Formula-F and new filters and see how we go.

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:45 am
by PumaJay
Glad to see your still sticking with the car, I've had mine for 10 years as well now!

I've been looking at upgrading my master cylinder, think the original one has seen better days, which mondeo one have you gone for?

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:54 am
by grayfox
mk3, all models have the 23,81 piston diameter even the ST220 so didn't matter which, I went with a German Topran (Mapco was cheaper but decided against it, although I'm sure it would have been fine) Ordered from motor-doctor.co.uk for £86 delivered but didn't say it was actually shipping from Germany so still waiting for it.

I had previously taken a used oe one to the garage to have fitted but the pedal went straight to the floor, so wasted labour to swap the puma one back and wasted bottle of superblue trying to bleed it out! didn't want to take the chance again, to save messing about with the brake lines I had two stainless brake hoses custom made (very pretty but should have been at £80 :-D )

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:32 am
by grayfox
Long time no update!

So I did my first track day of the year on 3rd July - Evening Brands Hatch Indy and had great fun zooming round with Al and Ben.

It was with Opentrack and was really happy with the marshalls, organisation and driving standard from all, being an evening the tarmac temp had dropped, (there was a bike session during the day and everyone tyres were going off) and I was never badly held up the whole time!

Beforehand the car was #pumashacked with driver weld in seat rails, mondeo mk3 servo and MC, oil change/filter and single wiper conversion (weight reduction lol) and 15mm Eibach Pro spacers.

Servo and MC

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You can see what a monster the servo is from the Engine Bay shot, very sure it wouldn't have fitted had I not already put the battery in the back

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All great changes, my brakes work properly now, I'm sat lower, bit further back and completely central to the wheel. The front spacers have improved turn-in incredibly while the rear is planted as hell with 30mm axle spacers and whiteline rear anti-sway bar.

Wheelbase is now (with 15" F1 6j 34et wheels)
Front track is 1480mm (1450mm standard)
Rear track is 1471mm (1411mm standard)

The car is setup beyond my driving ability so I badly need to get more seat time and going to definitely do more evening sessions!

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Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:34 am
by grayfox
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:44 am
by grayfox
Oh I forgot to show the doctors fine work:

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I'm now a pumashacked groupie!

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:01 pm
by PumaJay
Looking good on track and I bet the additional mods have really helped.

Which of the whiteline ARB's are you using? The MK6 Fiesta one? I know they have just changed the design on it, have you got he old or new style?

Oh.. and have you got a pic of the single wiper linkage conversion.

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:32 pm
by grayfox
PumaJay wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:01 pm
Looking good on track and I bet the additional mods have really helped.

Which of the whiteline ARB's are you using? The MK6 Fiesta one? I know they have just changed the design on it, have you got he old or new style?

Oh.. and have you got a pic of the single wiper linkage conversion.
Old MK6 version, you need the backbox to be small otherwise it's effectiveness is seriously weakened as it won't mount vertically enough, I can grab a pic of the linkage tonight if you like?

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:30 am
by PumaJay
If you could take a photo that would be great.

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:46 pm
by grayfox
Took the car to Snetterton (300 circuit) on Monday - Evening session. Wanted to see how the car performed on much faster corners than Brands indy circuit (not saying paddock hill bend isn't fast but the car squats so much and finds grip it wouldn't have otherwise on exit it's not a fair test)

Started tracktime later than expected but no red flags meant the session kept going, I was expecting to see a guy called 'Howard (he posted the event on the puma track day fb group)' in another silver puma with orange bits but he didn't turn up. Had people come up to car while in the paddock to share their love/admiration for it. I hadn't made any further changes since my last outing but did play with front/rear tyre psi combinations. I found 25 front and 35 rear (it was a hot day) created a great balance in reducing understeer and encouraging enough oversteer to rotate the car effectively in tight bends.

I also never tried trail-braking before so my first few attempts were shocking but my god when it worked did the nose dive into the apex! will be continuing to practice that on my next outing.

Also had a free 20 min tuition session (good old opentrack!) had a guy named 'Will' who loved the way it drove, I realised a fair few bad habits I have and will be mindful of them next time round. First (and one that made the most difference) was I don't open the steering up early enough after apexing (in order to effectively use all the track on exit) this also means I'm not on full power early as I can be! I'm overbraking (kinda knew that) and there's too long a gap between coming off the power and onto the brakes. Aside from those things he was happy and nailed some corners 'perfectly' including Williams, Nelson, Murrays and Hamilton. I'm still finding Riches and Oggies different to pin down but that's the kind of thing that keeps you out there!

Oh and I found the car handled better with the instructor in it and don't believe this was due to potentially balancing the car better but from the side-on-shot I can see this is closer to all round ride height before weight loss (especially the rear including spare tyre/all fabrics/brackets/sound deadening ect) so reckon I'll try lowering the suspension a tad to compensate.

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Oh and did I say it was hot?? This was after 1 x 30 min session, photo courtesy of the onsite toilet cubicles! lol

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Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:30 pm
by grayfox
Had my best trackday at Snetterton 300 on 28th Feb and it was down to the new track width I was running up front.

It was my first test after fitting my peugeot fitment Pro Race 1.2's 7J 15ET and removing the 15mm hubcentric spacers from behind the oem puma F1 wheels I had in the front (but keeping the F1's in the rear with the 30mm FRP spacers).

This made the ratio front and back extremely close to the oem ratios (front was a tiny extra wide) so ran overall +63mm front and +60mm rear (previously +30mm front and +60mm rear).

I went on about this on the puma track day FB group but this simple change transformed my lap times, entry/mid and exit corner speed and I'd never experience such little understeer and overall balance even from before altering track width at all.

(it needs to be said though I am obviously more experienced on track now than all those years ago when it was standard wheelbase so I lot of it maybe because I simply know about lines/weight transfers/trail braking ect)

I paid for a tuition session and the instructor commented on just how well balanced he thought the car was.

There was a new C1 out there being driven brilliantly, there's photos on the javalin flickr photography page (free the access) where you can see it often cocking a rear wheel lol

My worst corner where I know I can gain more time was Nelson and the first corner Riches (hard to brake late and scrub off not too much speed after the straight reaching 100mph. However I thought I pretty much got the rest pinned down. Likely be back at Brands Indy next unless there's a few people wanting to arrange a day at a more northern track with a stay over.

Thanks to the docs at 'Pumashacked' for servicing the checking the car over before the day.

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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:51 am
by PumaJay
Looking good on track, I think we need to get all the Puma's together on track again soon!

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:47 am
by siju
Hi. Car looks good! You say you are running overall +63 front. But the et15 wheels are +20 each compared to oem so totally +40. Have you done anything else?

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:48 pm
by Wild E. Coyote
What are those thingies on the roof? Some vortex generators?

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:26 am
by PumaJay
Wild E. Coyote wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:48 pm
What are those thingies on the roof? Some vortex generators?
Yeah they are vortex generators, ideally they need to placed a bit further back up the roof to meet the area the air separates from the panel, they need to placed at the point of separation to keep the air flow attached to roof line.

They basically generate high energy air which helps stick the flow to the panel/bodywork and increases the attached flow. They work best when combined with a rear wing. The Evo's that had them as standard would use them to help condition the flow of air to the rear wing.

Mr Fox's Puma

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:56 pm
by grayfox
siju wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:47 am
Hi. Car looks good! You say you are running overall +63 front. But the et15 wheels are +20 each compared to oem so totally +40. Have you done anything else?
they are 7j (not 6j) combined with the 19+ mm in offset (15 compared to 34) makes an overall additional track width increase of 63mm. I used an online offset tyre calculator to check but can't remember which.

Hi, wild, yes as Jay mentioned vortex generators I've actually been planning on moving them much more forward to the separation zone (little behind the B pillars) and perhaps colour coding them to the body