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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by FlashBastd » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:50 am

Then it must be a 1997-2000 Mondeo, not a 2001-2003. This stalk is no good to you, it is a different design.
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by puma89 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:39 am

Okay thanks again flash.
I went to ford tis mondeo 1997-98.
It has 6 cabel leads so then it fits very well with the describtion of 3 pins .
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by FlashBastd » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:56 am

So that is the audio plug you need, but not the control
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by puma89 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:35 pm

Not sure what got into me but here is a picture of the 2001-2003 pin plugg it has 3 pins , its what I need.

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Got the plug I orderd earlier in the post today here is a picture.
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by FlashBastd » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:27 pm

The C487 you only use the two pins.
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by puma89 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:12 am

Hi!
Got the audiowheel controll from a mondeo and tested out today.
But it didnt work:-(. My player is probably to old. Work difrently than the new one.
I used pin 1 and 2 on the switch and iron it togheter with 9-md26 to pin 1 8md26 to pin 2.

I tested the switch and it seems to be okay when messeare it in ohm

Vol- 54,5ohm
Mode 1039 ohm
Vol + 147 ohm
Seek 563 ohm
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by FlashBastd » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:12 am

Oh dear, I would try different pins on the third plug to see if that makes any difference. I am pretty sure it should work somehow, though if you do need to get hold of a later headunit, they do have a better power output!
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by puma89 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:47 am

Ahh I think you tottaly right. I guess I just asumed to use the wire wholes that was allready connected on the yellow.
The other pins is not found on TIS.
I will try out all combinations to see if it works.
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by puma89 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:37 pm

It didnt work :cry: . I did all 30 combinatons.
The only ting that siemed to work was the phone.
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by FlashBastd » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:56 pm

Looks like you must need the later head unit then, sorry!
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by puma89 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:11 pm

:grin: Nothing to be sorry for, I am glad I gave it a try. By looking at the drawing in TIS it shuld have worked .
And your player wasnt so diffrent for mine.Cheers again for all help FlashBastd.
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by thanos1410 » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:18 pm

Hi FlashBastd,

I have a Puma model 2001 in a very good condition. I have carefully studied your modifications one by one, and I really admire your excellent Puma and your skill to overcome all the difficulties to have the optimum result for your Puma. Among the modifications I'm interested in converting the rear drums brakes into disc brakes. So I decided to use the Ford Focus mk1 rear discs.
First of all I spoke to Ford dealer and told me that is not something so difficult to deal with, but the major issue is the connection of Puma's ABS to Focus' ABS in order the entire system to work properly. So I have to deal with new things like tone rings, ABS wires, sockets etc. Some of the mechanics told me that is not easy to make the Puma's ABS to work with rear Focus' disc brakes, while other told me not to do it, since I will have a lot of problems in the conversion.
Having studied your conversion I understood that you kept Puma's ABS wires. So I would like to ask you. What if I cut each Puma's rear ABS wire, and connect them to Focus' ABS sensor wires? Why I have to drill the hole in the hubs, instead of changing Puma's ABS sensors with Focus' sensors?

I really thank you in advanse for your reply. I'm sending you my personal mail as well.

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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by oilburner » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:51 pm

The Focus ABS sensors aren't compatible with the Pumas system so you need to keep the Puma ones
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by Wild E. Coyote » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:22 pm

thanos1410 wrote:Hi FlashBastd,

I have a Puma model 2001 in a very good condition. I have carefully studied your modifications one by one, and I really admire your excellent Puma and your skill to overcome all the difficulties to have the optimum result for your Puma. Among the modifications I'm interested in converting the rear drums brakes into disc brakes. So I decided to use the Ford Focus mk1 rear discs.
First of all I spoke to Ford dealer and told me that is not something so difficult to deal with, but the major issue is the connection of Puma's ABS to Focus' ABS in order the entire system to work properly. So I have to deal with new things like tone rings, ABS wires, sockets etc. Some of the mechanics told me that is not easy to make the Puma's ABS to work with rear Focus' disc brakes, while other told me not to do it, since I will have a lot of problems in the conversion.
Having studied your conversion I understood that you kept Puma's ABS wires. So I would like to ask you. What if I cut each Puma's rear ABS wire, and connect them to Focus' ABS sensor wires? Why I have to drill the hole in the hubs, instead of changing Puma's ABS sensors with Focus' sensors?

I really thank you in advanse for your reply. I'm sending you my personal mail as well.

Thanos
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It is a different system. Focus uses magnetic sensors (Hall sensor type) and magnetic tone rings (consisting of heaps of small magnets).
Puma system is the older generation type whith inductive sensors and simple metal tone rings. The only way for you to keep the functionality of ABS system is to make mechanical alterations to fit the existing system to the focus hubs
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by thanos1410 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:40 am

Good Morning and thank you very much for your reply.

I understand your point, it seems that there is something different between Focus/Puma ABS system. Though (since I understand that you have a deep knowledge on that) both of the systems uses a simple current 5v or 12v which the ABS central unit transmit through the wires and ABS sensors to the tone ring. So if this is the case what is the difference between the magnetic sensors vs inductive sensors? Actually both of the models uses the same ABS central unit. So the current must be the same.
Anyhow could you please advise me if there is another Ford model, which I would be able to take the rear disc brake system and to be able to adapt it to my Puma. For example Fiesta XR2 (1994) or Fiesta RS Turbo? If not what do you suggest me to do?

Thank you for your help,

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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by Wild E. Coyote » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:08 pm

The easiest way is to use the focus rear discs and adapt them to take puma tone rings and sensors. There were plenty of those conversions done. The best guide for you should be what Ford did with FRP. They did exactly the same thing and adapted focus rear disc axle to take puma ABS system.

The major difference, as I see it, is that focus uses Hall sensors and they produce sinusoidal signal. The inductive sensors give square signal...
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by thanos1410 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:02 am

Thank you very much for your help Coyote. I would really like if I have your knowledge and the tools to do this conversion.
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by Wild E. Coyote » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:49 pm

It is not that complicated.... Have a look at how I did it
http://www.projectpuma.com/viewtopic.ph ... 32#p302532" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by oilburner » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:34 pm

Seems like a lot of work for not a lot of gain really to me
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by tuonokid » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:29 pm

It is a lot of work but discs look sooo much nicer behind alloy wheels, especially if the wheels are bigger. :grin:
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by Wild E. Coyote » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:50 pm

tuonokid wrote:It is a lot of work but discs look sooo much nicer behind alloy wheels, especially if the wheels are bigger. :grin:
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by thanos1410 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:06 pm

Hi all,

You are right without any doubt you are right Coyote. How ever does anyone knows something about this solution? Positives/negatives?


http://unique-power.com.tw/exemple/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by Wild E. Coyote » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:51 pm

This is for fiesta Mk7. It is in no way similar to puma/fiesta Mk4
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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by thanos1410 » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:10 am

I asked from the specific company to inform me if this kind of solution, (not the specific of the video) is adapted for Fiesta mk4/Puma or is exclusively for mk7. Also I asked to know if the genuin Ford calipers pads fits the specific system or we have to buy parts exclusively from their company. As soon as they reply to me I will let you know.


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Re: Project Puma 'Black'

Post by thanos1410 » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:09 pm

Hi Coyote,

You are right. They don't have something like that for previous models. Only for Fiesta mk7. So allow me to resume the method you have described very detailed.
I have to buy Focus mk1 spindles hubs and calipers. After I have to machining the hubs from 7,2cm (if this is the real width) to 6,62cm if I use mapco rings or to 6,56 if I keep Pumas' existing tone ring.
Further I have to enlarge the ABS hole in the spindle in order to be able to seat Pumas' ABS sensor, and to create a wider hole for the sensor's bolt. More I have to reduce by 1mm (is it right or is it 2mm) the back of the spindle in the area of the ABS sensor's hole.
By your comments is absolutely clear how crucial it is to keep the distance between the surface of the sensor and the ring tones teeth.
So if all these are correct and will be done exactly as you describe the ABS should be functional.

Is it something I described wrong or something I missing?

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