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Post by raggamuffin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:29 pm

2 week lead time in the clutch. 3 sensors and other bits to be fitted this week.

Clutch will have to wait until beginning of July when bodywork gets done

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Post by raggamuffin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:04 pm

J said he's checked over the TPS already. Checked the readings/parameters of the sensor and ensured they were within the manufacturer spec. So it's all working well.

He does have another throttle body he's going to try to see if this will solve the judder issue. As it's only occuring when the accelerator pedal is slightly pushed, he thinks the throttle body might be letting in too much air.

He also said that it'd be best to prioritise the manifold, cat next. The bearing rattle isn't an urgent fix, and he said the current mods are probably only half as effective without the manifold/cat.

So, as it stands - 3 more sensors, door cards, strut braces, new coolant header tank to be fitted this week. He also said he'll clean up the headlight plastics.

July - fix bodywork and alloy wheels.

Aug - fit 4-2-1 manifold and sports cat (connected to original exhaust system).

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Post by raggamuffin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:50 pm

I decided to speak with the eBay seller about end term bhp goals with the Puma and they recommended a Stage 2 clutch.

So I've sent the £41 extra via PayPal. This Stage 2 clutch requires 500 miles bedding in. Which is good in all honesty, as I need to save more on fuel. Then again, this won't be fitted until Jul/Aug.

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Post by Wild E. Coyote » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:22 pm

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He does have another throttle body he's going to try to see if this will solve the judder issue. As it's only occuring when the accelerator pedal is slightly pushed, he thinks the throttle body might be letting in too much air.
If you decide to replace the throttle body, you will have to reset the adaptive values again, i.e. reset the PCM and again let it to relearn the idling values...
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Post by raggamuffin » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:46 pm

Would it not learn them without the reset? J seemed to think it would.

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Post by Wild E. Coyote » Wed May 01, 2019 6:48 am

With time yes. But until it does you would have erratic idle again. Since you are unsure what the problem really is, I would take all the knowns out of the equation if I could. And idling etc you can. You are putting on another throttle body which is not new, so it has some leakage around butterfly. That is not a problem if PCM measures it and takes into account when activating IAV. If not, you will be again at erratic idling as the PCM would try to compensate for the values that are not the same as the ones stored in the memory.
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Post by raggamuffin » Tue May 14, 2019 8:47 pm

Nothing new to report. Awaiting J to work on it this weekend due to delays recently.

Stage 2 clutch should arrive soon too.

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Post by raggamuffin » Thu May 23, 2019 9:36 pm

Clutch posted. Hoping the car is worked in this weekend.
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Post by raggamuffin » Fri May 24, 2019 1:37 pm

180 miles from half a tank. That economical driving son.

Got bored and ragged the other half of the tank thoughm

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Post by raggamuffin » Tue May 28, 2019 2:13 pm

Back to lots of delays and no shows at the moment.

Not sure when the sensors and the rest will be done at this point.
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Post by raggamuffin » Wed May 29, 2019 11:56 am

New problem has arisen. Car brakes fine, but 3 times now, just before coming to a stop in traffic there's a mechanical grinding, juddering sound and I feel the brake pedal vibrating under my foot when pressed. The noises are very loud. No noises when braking whilst driving at any other time.

Any ideas?
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Post by Van_Dammesque » Wed May 29, 2019 9:09 pm

Sounds like ABS problems? Either sensors or the sensor rings.
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Post by Wild E. Coyote » Thu May 30, 2019 4:52 am

Yes, sound like ABS. Check the sensor to tone ring gap. This behaviour, grinding to a stop is usually a sign of misaligned or slightly damaged tone ring (few notches are bent in). As the speed decreases so the signal weakens and at the point of irregularity it will break down i.e. disappear. The ABS unit detects that as a wheel lock up and kicks in.
I had the same problem at first with my rear disc conversion as one sensor was out of place by less than 1 mm (radially) and the pickup of the signal was not good and the unit would pass self test, but as the car would slow down, some grinding would occur.
The sensor to ring gap should be 0,6 mm (0,4 to 0,8 is tolerated, but aim for 0,6 mm).
The ABS is easily checked with Forscan. There is a live speed readout function and it will tell you which wheel is in problem.
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Post by raggamuffin » Fri May 31, 2019 10:39 am

OK, thank you both. That puts my mind at ease. I'm trying to get J to work on the car this weekend as this will be the 5th weekend without anything happening and I'm a little tired of waiting, having paid upfront for 2 full days work to be done over a month ago.

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Post by raggamuffin » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:54 pm

Visiting Wednesday morning. We're splitting 1 of the days I paid for over 2 days. 4 hours working on the car each time.

I'm hoping that the new sensors can be fitted along with the ABS issue being looked at and hopefully resolved.
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Post by raggamuffin » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:26 pm

After the rest of the bits are fitted (or before, depending on offers) I'll be selling my 3rd Puma.

This project has gone above and beyond where I expected it to get to. I don't like admitting defeat, and yet I feel like I've run out of steam at this point. I think it's time for someone else to take up the reigns and finish what I started.

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Post by st220kyle » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:30 pm

Don't give up mate,
Ive been reading your updates. You've had some bad luck. Maybe take a step back and have a break from it if you can?
Your nearly there, the light is at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by Van_Dammesque » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:38 pm

Yeah wait until it is all done then drive it, I'm sure it will all be worth the patience!
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Post by raggamuffin » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:12 pm

Thanks for the replies. I can start to feel defeated when I overthink things. Recently the project hasn't felt positive, and it can run me down. Even though I've encountered numerous issues since the rebuild was done, I have found a way to adapt to each new fault and drive nearly 2500 miles since the rebuild.

The project delays felt more disheartening than the project than the costs. It'll get there though; I sometimes need to be reminded of that. This whole project is as difficult as I allow it to be.

Did J a favour. I think it'll bump things back on track. Booked 4 hours on Wednesday morning before work to get more parts fitted. I think breaking a days work into a couple of segments will be easier than catching J on a free weekend.

Hopefully the ABS issue doesn't require a new sensor, and yet, I'm not averse to buying a new pair. Just have to be patient. Got plenty of parts to be fitted in the mean time, without adding any new purchases into the mix.

Thanks again everyone who's listened and offered advice in this project. :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

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Post by red » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:15 am

I think if you can give it the final push on these couple of days you've got booked in then maybe it'll change your mind.
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Post by raggamuffin » Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:41 pm

Got a text last night works not being done today. Dropping it off at his at 10am tomorrow and he'll give me a lift to work and pick me up in the puma after work. He said he'd do a full day on the car.

ABS issue is getting worse, having to rely on the handbrake to stop the car after the speed drops below 10mph. Sometimes there's a creaking noise at low speeds 1-5 mph or so from the front of the car. When this occurs and I then apply the brakes, the ABS issue arises.

J reckons he can fit all the parts tomorrow (asides from the clutch). The main thing I'm hoping for is that these 3 new sensors fix the rough idling and low rpm judder. These problems have persisted since I got the car back, and until they're fixed, any other progress is going to feel a little hollow.

As for keeping the car long term, it's all still a little up in the air. Whilst the setbacks are out of my hands, they're the main reason the project has felt so emotionally exhausting.

At the end of the day I do enjoy the car, and I know I will love the car once all the problems are gone. It remains somewhat impractical in terms of interior space (being 6'4") and fuel economy. But I think I'd thoroughly regret parting with the car if I was to do so.

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Post by raggamuffin » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:08 pm

Dropped the car off at 10am. Full days work to be done and he'll drop off the car tonight. I gave him a list in order of preference:

Reattach or remove underside heatshield (the rattle was driving me insane).
Check ABS issue and repair or remove faulty sensor (will order another sensor if required).
Fit 3 new sensors to hopefully fix the low rpm judder and rough idling (finally?)
Fit strut braces.
Fit millennium edition door cards.
Clean headlight plastics to remove cloudiness and fit new rubber seals.

With any luck, all of the above can be sorted in the 12 hours he'll have the car. Once that's done it should just be the clutch and rust that needs sorting.

I really hope the low RPM judder and rough idling is fixed. If not, I'm not sure what else we can try other than the timing (which J is adament is fine). Or buy a genuine Ford MAF as J said 3rd party one's are problematic. Only problem with that is that the genuine Ford part is just shy of £300 and there's no guarantee it'll fix the problem.

So who knows? I'd be lying if I said I was excited to get the car back. With one problem after another with this project, I'm not sure what'll happen next.

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Post by raggamuffin » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:31 pm

Text J to remind him to meet me at 10pm. He text me back asking if the Puma had new brakes fitted. Haven't had anything brake related fitted since I've owned the car. He just replied and said apparently they are like new. So maybe it's a broken sensor?

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Post by raggamuffin » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:21 pm

3 sensors fitted, brakes cleaned, or some part to do with the ABS sensor. He said they were caked in rust. The brake discs themselves were in very good condition. ABS light comes on intermittently. When I left his the creaking at low speed happened as soon as I left as did the brake judder. I assumed it was a bit of rust remaining after being cleaned and that it would clear up. The pedal judder was different and sure enough after a few miles and various braking intervals it went away.

He said I can take the car to his on Saturday to get the struts and door cards done. Judder persists. Idling is a little smoother. Bit the bullet and bought a genuine Ford MAF sensor. Heatshield has been removed, no more rattle.

I'll try disconnecting the battery for most of my shift when I get to work tomorrow and see if that helps the judder and idling.

Will keep you all posted as ever.

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Post by raggamuffin » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:32 pm

Clutch hadn't arrived. Spoke with seller and they said it'll be delivered Monday.

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