Ford Puma 1.7 1999 not starting

[fordpuma1999]

Hello, My 1999 ford puma 1.7l petrol was running poorly and suddenly on 2 cylinders when on low rpm, Then 4 cylinders when higher rpm. I connected my obd scanner to see the problems. It told me error P0022 - intake camshaft position timing over retarded BANK 2. After i disconnected the obd scanner it isnt running at all. I could have the starter motor going for 10 seconds and it starts but dies after half a second. Sometimes pops from the exhaust. Yes i am getting fuel. But theres no spark on sparkplugs when i checked. I havent got it to ignite for the last days. I got no idea what the problem could be. Where should i start trouble shooting? I ve checked sensors and they seem to work. Maybe timing belt could be the problem?

 

[Cubatoo]

I'm sorry to hear that.
I am afraid I can't help but maybe one of the other knowledgeable people here will be able to.

 

[John Woodward]

Hello, My 1999 ford puma 1.7l petrol was running poorly and suddenly on 2 cylinders when on low rpm, Then 4 cylinders when higher rpm. I connected my obd scanner to see the problems. It told me error P0022 - intake camshaft position timing over retarded BANK 2. After i disconnected the obd scanner it isnt running at all. I could have the starter motor going for 10 seconds and it starts but dies after half a second. Sometimes pops from the exhaust. Yes i am getting fuel. But theres no spark on sparkplugs when i checked. I havent got it to ignite for the last days. I got no idea what the problem could be. Where should i start trouble shooting? I ve checked sensors and they seem to work. Maybe timing belt could be the problem?

If you're not getting a spark at any of the plugs, I'd suspect the coil pack and/or the plug leads.

 

[fordpuma1999]

If you're not getting a spark at any of the plugs, I'd suspect the coil pack and/or the plug leads.

I am going to check them.

If you're not getting a spark at any of the plugs, I'd suspect the coil pack and/or the plug leads.

The coilpack is under 3 months old. But is there any way i can check if its dead?

 

[Aleks]

Hello, My 1999 ford puma 1.7l petrol was running poorly and suddenly on 2 cylinders when on low rpm, Then 4 cylinders when higher rpm. I connected my obd scanner to see the problems. It told me error P0022 - intake camshaft position timing over retarded BANK 2. After i disconnected the obd scanner it isnt running at all. I could have the starter motor going for 10 seconds and it starts but dies after half a second. Sometimes pops from the exhaust. Yes i am getting fuel. But theres no spark on sparkplugs when i checked. I havent got it to ignite for the last days. I got no idea what the problem could be. Where should i start trouble shooting? I ve checked sensors and they seem to work. Maybe timing belt could be the problem?

Hello!
It would be wise to open up the rocker cover to see what's going on there. This error means that the intake camshaft went out of its timing alignment. Also you have to check the timing belt , is it properly tensioned etc.

Mine had the same symptoms before its death (Oil and antifreeze came in contact with each other due to supposedly blown gasket).

Yours has variable camshaft timing. Pay attention to this mechanism.

 

[fordpuma1999]

Hello!
It would be wise to open up the rocker cover to see what's going on there. This error means that the intake camshaft went out of its timing alignment. Also you have to check the timing belt , is it properly tensioned etc.

Mine had the same symptoms before its death (Oil and antifreeze came in contact with each other due to supposedly blown gasket).

Yours has variable camshaft timing. Pay attention to this mechanism.

Do you possibly know if theres any videoes about this? The timing belt seems in good condition, its tight and seems correctly adjusted. I opened the top cover now, i dont really know what i should be looking for

 

[Aleks]

Do you possibly know if theres any videoes about this? The timing belt seems in good condition, its tight and seems correctly adjusted. I opened the top cover now, i dont really know what i should be looking for

Well, at this stage your check up has probably come to an end. As for an inexperienced user you have now done all that you can.
Yeah, there are threads on the Internet and videos concerning this subject.

The VCT on the Puma is continously variable and is controlled via sensor on the inlet camshaft that feeds back to the ecu sending a PWM signal to the soleniod. This then controls oil pressure to the mechanism on the cam pully that changes the timing.

 

[Wild E. Coyote]

Given the age of the car, you have 2 possibilities. First one is the engine is really out of timing position. For that to check, you have to lock the crankshaft by pin (I think 5 or 6 mm drill would be ok just for check, IIRC it is 10 mm socket meaning it is M6 tap). At the back end of engine block there is a bolt near driveshaft bearing. Undo it and through that hole push in the drill bit (be carefull not to push it all the way and lose it in the engine!!) about 5 cms. Then carefully start turning the crankshaft by the big bolt holding accessory belt pulley in clockwise direction until you hear clonk! and crankshaft stops (be gentle!). That would mean it has hit the drill bit and now the cylinder no1. is at TDC (top dead centar).
Now go to the head and look at the back of camshafts. There is a notch on each. That notch should be perfectly lined with the upper end of cylinder head. If it is, that means the timing of the engine is correct. Pay most of your attention to the camshaft closer to the front of the vehicle, as that is the inlet and that one has VCT pulley and for that you have DTC. If it is not alligned with the upper end of cylinder head, the VCT has gone bad. On camshaft there is hexagon, IIRC 18 mm wrench should go over it. Try if you can move A BIT (5 degrees top) to see if it moves.
If all is correct there, I would try replacing the camshaft position sensor (that is the one reading inlet camshaft at the very end of it and cases the protrusion on top of the head cover).
Final thought: I don't know how handy you are around car and all of that you are doing on your own; I can not take any responsibility if this ends up badly.
Good luck

 

[fordpuma1999]

Given the age of the car, you have 2 possibilities. First one is the engine is really out of timing position. For that to check, you have to lock the crankshaft by pin (I think 5 or 6 mm drill would be ok just for check, IIRC it is 10 mm socket meaning it is M6 tap). At the back end of engine block there is a bolt near driveshaft bearing. Undo it and through that hole push in the drill bit (be carefull not to push it all the way and lose it in the engine!!) about 5 cms. Then carefully start turning the crankshaft by the big bolt holding accessory belt pulley in clockwise direction until you hear clonk! and crankshaft stops (be gentle!). That would mean it has hit the drill bit and now the cylinder no1. is at TDC (top dead centar).
Now go to the head and look at the back of camshafts. There is a notch on each. That notch should be perfectly lined with the upper end of cylinder head. If it is, that means the timing of the engine is correct. Pay most of your attention to the camshaft closer to the front of the vehicle, as that is the inlet and that one has VCT pulley and for that you have DTC. If it is not alligned with the upper end of cylinder head, the VCT has gone bad. On camshaft there is hexagon, IIRC 18 mm wrench should go over it. Try if you can move A BIT (5 degrees top) to see if it moves.
If all is correct there, I would try replacing the camshaft position sensor (that is the one reading inlet camshaft at the very end of it and cases the protrusion on top of the head cover).
Final thought: I don't know how handy you are around car and all of that you are doing on your own; I can not take any responsibility if this ends up badly.
Good luck

Thanks you! I will be checking it out later. The camshaft sensor is new.

 

[Wild E. Coyote]

Thanks you! I will be checking it out later. The camshaft sensor is new.

Out of interest, why did you replace the camshaft position sensor? Have you installed the original one?

 

[fordpuma1999]

Out of interest, why did you replace the camshaft position sensor? Have you installed the original one?

i dropped the last one by mistake and broke the connection plug off.