NOS - Dont knock it till you try it

[yippeekiay]

I'm neither for or against NOS, but what I don't understand is certain peoples "mission" to convince everyone it's the best thing since sliced bread.

Well said Dal, but what about other people's 'mission' to convince everyone that it's not.

That's the beauty of being Human, we can make our own decisions on the information we are given.

My opinion is that I find the information given so far on this site (and more specialist sites) leads me to favour the NOS option for a performance increase, especially over a Turbo or supercharger conversion. However, I wouldn't spend the money to use it on a Puma.
I believe there are much better cars that I could start with as a base car to utilise this sort of performance addon. To be totally honest I would probably go the Turbo/supercharger route to start with thus not needing the NOS anyway. But I do like the sound of it.

 

[ElDude at Allison Automotive]

However, I wouldn't spend the money to use it on a Puma.
I believe there are much better cars that I could start with as a base car to utilise this sort of performance addon.

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which cars did you have in mind exactly..?

the kits (and jet sizes) can be tailored to suit anything from a bike, a fiesta, or a fully prepped dag racer...

 

[yippeekiay]

My thinking was, why waste spending the money to NOS something so....errrm (trying to be tactile...lol) 'basic' as a Puma or Fiesta when I would much prefer to equip something bigger, better, faster, to start with. My preferred application would be on a docile V8 or V12 that would appreciate a few breath's of NOS and take it in their stride, there is nothing better than seeing a big old girl hitch up her skirt and get some groove on....lol

As for bikes, I wouldn't waste my time using NOS on them unless I was taking it on a drag strip all the time. When a 600 will do 160+ and most thou's a RESTRICTED 186, why the hell would you need it as your not riding them at that speed....merely aiming....lol

 

[benking]

Personal prefrence isnt it. Each to there own. I totaly see the logic in what your saying. But the was i see it i want a puma and i want to tune the 1.7. I dont want another car, if i did id by one. I want to make the car i have faster, not by another one. Maybe its crazy

Id rather have a 500BHP mini, than a F40, enzo, lambo etc

If we never looked to improve things, well nothingwould ever improve would it. And just because its easier to by a faster car, thats like a cop out to me

But if you consider a near 200BHP car that weighs a tonne, its not a slow car is it. I like sleepers, i wouldnt consider it an out and out sleeper. but i get the impression most people who dont know much about these cars dont think there up to much. I could go by a fast car that everyone knows is fast, but thats just not me. I want my own unique car, that will suprise people. Thats why i wont put 17s on, i want mine to look as standard as possible.

Its just we all have different ways of looking at things

 

[ElDude at Allison Automotive]

My thinking was, why waste spending the money to NOS something so....errrm (trying to be tactile...lol) 'basic' as a Puma or Fiesta when I would much prefer to equip something bigger, better, faster, to start with. My preferred application would be on a docile V8 or V12 that would appreciate a few breath's of NOS and take it in their stride, there is nothing better than seeing a big old girl hitch up her skirt and get some groove on....lol

mm, that still doesn't make a huge amount of sense imo...(it is only my opinion of course.. :lol: )...

just because a bigger engine may be able to take a larger hit doesn't make it any more appealing or worthy than a smaller car running it's max safe limit....

in fact the truth is, improving the performance on a smaller lighter car is usually more thrilling than adding a 100hp to a big beefy motor..... i'd even go as far to say there really isn't much to top a good running FRP with Nitrous, it simply is amazing!...unless of course you've got a MUCH bigger budget in mind...

 

[yippeekiay]

As per other threads I've indicated my yearning for a VXR8 but I'd be going down the supercharger route (Wortec) which will see it pushing well in excess of 600 BHP - not sure if NOS will go in unison with a supercharger, the thought of ANOTHER 100 or so BHP on top of that would be something worth considering...OUCH!!!. I just have to justify it sitting on my drive or in my garage for 90/95% of the time after I get over the initial buzz....which could take a while...lol

For the comparitively 'little' money it would cost to get this much power in a brand new car at the current selling price, I might miss the boat if I don't pull my socks up and break open my wallet as they'll all be gone...lol

I'm going to a 'grand' opening of a project on Friday that I was working on in Leeds and hoping I may make a few lucrative contacts in which case it will be coming sooner than later. (I know I've just jinxed it and have GOT to learn to shut my mouth...lol)

 

[P7TNY]

Very interesting thread , I would just buy a powerful car to be honest, but I can see the gains in NOS. :grin:

 

[P7TNY]

Having NOS would remind me of the extra power you could gain in the retro arcade came CHASE HQ :?

 

[benking]

In a puma its nothing like the films and games lol think of it as a stealthy not as powerfull super charger effect. Its not like a turbo, but more constant like a charger but without throwing you back in your seat to much. Each to there own, I'd rather be sitting in a car you don't expect is quick, I could buy a fast car but someone else built it, I wanna build my own. Vxr8 would be nice though

 

[mort666]

Doesn't the 'kick in the back' effect (or lack thereof) depend on how the shot is delivered?

I seem to remember Chris has got the controller set up to give a nice progressive delivery building up over time so that it's less stressful on the engine and more controllable for road driving.

If it was set up like my mate's drag bike you would surely feel a big thump in the back. That one is set to deliver 50bhp within 0.1 second of activation with the full 100bhp hit coming in approximately 0.1-0.2 seconds later

On the cost front just I just wonder whether anyone has sat down and worked out how long it would take for nitrous costs to catch up with a turbo install (e.g. how many bottles).

I know with the bike you can get a decent turbo install done for around £4-5K easily to get around 200bhp (one of the guys on the club has done a home made turbo job for around £3k)

a Nitrous/full exhaust/cams setup to get around 200 bhp would cost an approximate minimum of £2.5k.

this would give you up to around £2.5k for refills. From doing a bit of googling it looks like refills are around £5 per pound or so, so say about £50 for a 11lb bottle

Your £2.5k spare would only get you 50 bottle fills before the nitrous setup would cost you more.

Of course thos figures are approximate, but the refill costs need to be taken into account when deciding these things. No point in getting a system that's cheaper and not being able to afford to use it after 6 months

 

[ElDude at Allison Automotive]

Doesn't the 'kick in the back' effect (or lack thereof) depend on how the shot is delivered?

I seem to remember Chris has got the controller set up to give a nice progressive delivery building up over time so that it's less stressful on the engine and more controllable for road driving.

exactly... you hit the nail on the head...

If it was set up like my mate's drag bike you would surely feel a big thump in the back. That one is set to deliver 50bhp within 0.1 second of activation with the full 100bhp hit coming in approximately 0.1-0.2 seconds later

again...spot on...

the system can be setup to be as aggressive as you (or the car) can take.. :twisted:

with a fixed hit system or having the progressive set right down to 1sec or less build tme the power is MUCH more instant than any turbo or supercharge system that only has ambiant air temps to work with... :idea:

On the cost front just I just wonder whether anyone has sat down and worked out how long it would take for nitrous costs to catch up with a turbo install (e.g. how many bottles).

I know with the bike you can get a decent turbo install done for around £4-5K easily to get around 200bhp (one of the guys on the club has done a home made turbo job for around £3k)

a Nitrous/full exhaust/cams setup to get around 200 bhp would cost an approximate minimum of £2.5k.

this would give you up to around £2.5k for refills. From doing a bit of googling it looks like refills are around £5 per pound or so, so say about £50 for a 11lb bottle

Your £2.5k spare would only get you 50 bottle fills before the nitrous setup would cost you more.

Of course thos figures are approximate, but the refill costs need to be taken into account when deciding these things. No point in getting a system that's cheaper and not being able to afford to use it after 6 months

that comparison would be interesting if we were talking 2.5k for a decent puma modification, but the reality is that a good reliable conversion done to the 1.7 is going to cost around 7-8k upwards.... not to mention the ongoing costs of keeping it running in that state of tune..

even if the costs were exactly the same, when you've explored the Nitrous option there's no comparison tbh.... the extra torque you get from Nitrous is just so exciting and addictive..... Nitrous and a Turbo are the ultimate companions but you have to draw the line somewhere..... retaining the oem setup was a BIG plus factor for me... :wink:

Chris

 

[mort666]

that comparison would be interesting if we were talking 2.5k for a decent puma modification, but the reality is that a good reliable conversion done to the 1.7 is going to cost around 7-8k upwards.... not to mention the ongoing costs of keeping it running in that state of tune..

But that comparison I was making was meaning more like 4-5k for the turbo conversion not 2.5K. the 2.5k was for the nitrous work.

Not looked into exactly what is required for the turbo conversion for the puma TBH it was just something to think about really with regards to costs as people keep repeating how 'cheap' the nitrous set up is in comparison. I just wondered if anyone has done any proper working out of the costs.

I guess at the end of the day nitrous isn't the only option and different people will want different things from the finished result ):

 

[ElDude at Allison Automotive]

The Turbo Route will certainly cost a minimum of 6-7k upwards.....Turbys install is somthing nearer 9-10k i believe....

If your able to do some of the work 6-7k would be achievable fo sure....

A decent Nitrous Kit with progressive controller is around £1100 up to 2k for all the bells and whistles and a spare bottle...

 

[mort666]

I guess it would also depend on what other mods you did on the nitrous'd engine (and whether you were starting with a std. 1.7 or FRP) and what the comparative power outputs were at the end of the day really