FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby oilburner » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:29 pm

It was also fitted to the DC5 Integra Type R 220hp standard and will quite happily run a supercharger or turbo on stock internals. It's a seriously over engineered engine
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby Bentleya » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:25 pm

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oilburner wrote:K20 is out of the Civic Type R quite possibly the best N/A engine ever made!


You wash your mouth out!! :o Ford all the way for me 8-)



Haha, says you with a Mazda engine ;)
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby lusid666 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:26 pm

Currently have my brothers Mk2 Honda CRX B16 sat outside my garage, would love to have that engine in my puma. In the CRX your head slams back against the headrests with every gear change and it pulls like a bitch when the vtec comes in :)
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby d170sam » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:38 pm

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PumaNoob wrote:
oilburner wrote:K20 is out of the Civic Type R quite possibly the best N/A engine ever made!


You wash your mouth out!! :o Ford all the way for me 8-)



Haha, says you with a Mazda engine ;)


Ah but didn't ford own Mazda at the time? So really its Ford anyway!
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby Bentleya » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:47 pm

Yeah thy did Sam, I'm just having a giggle with Erroll.
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby tuonokid » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:21 am

Best N/A 4 cyl engine ever? That's a hard one but the Ford pre-crossflow Kent must come some where there. It turned into the crossflow about 1966 and then into the Lotus Twincam about 67 and then into the BDA IN 1970. By 1976 it was the BDG pushing out 260hp and then by 1986 it was in the RS200 in BDTE spec pushing out 650hp. Not bad for an old ford OHV engine.
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby Wild E. Coyote » Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:22 am

lusid666 wrote:Currently have my brothers Mk2 Honda CRX B16 sat outside my garage, would love to have that engine in my puma. In the CRX your head slams back against the headrests with every gear change and it pulls like a bitch when the vtec comes in :)


But is pretty gutless when VTEC doesn't kick in. That is what I don't love about Honda engines. You have to be almost brutal to get something out of them
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby Dal » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:52 am

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Ah but didn't ford own Mazda at the time? So really its Ford anyway!


Own is a bit strong for only a 33% investment at it's peak in 1996.. :lol:

oilburner wrote:K20 is out of the Civic Type R quite possibly the best N/A engine ever made!


Nah... S54 6 cylinder is the best N/A engine ;)
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby d170sam » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:31 pm

Bentleya wrote:Yeah thy did Sam, I'm just having a giggle with Erroll.


Ok cool, sorry to ruin joke lol
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby TGPlayer1 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:48 pm

I'd just like to say Suzuki should get a mention for squeezing 200 horses into a 1.3. There's engineering, and then there's bike engines.
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby Dal » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:55 pm

Sod all torque though as bikes don't need any with such little mass.
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby TGPlayer1 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:58 pm

Well yes but there's a video knocking around of a RWD Puma with a Hayabusa engine in it so it worked for that haha. I'll scour the Internet for a link.
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby gingerdave » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:12 pm

And nobody mentions the Toyota 2zz .1.8 litre and 190 bhp N/A .Strong engine mine has been supercharged to 280 BHP for 30 k miles and about 35 trackdays.Never changed the plugs never missed a beat ,never uses any oil.They rev to 8k rpm but some do suffer from gearboxes made of chocolate.
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Postby CherryVimto » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:30 pm

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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby CherryVimto » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:33 pm

Dal wrote:S54 6 cylinder is the best N/A engine ;)

Nice!
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby TGPlayer1 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:40 am

In my experience the Toyota 1.8s come with pretend clutches that give up after about a week.

And also, Errol just let us know when you want your thread back :ok:
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby madhillbilly17 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:54 am

How did this turn from 4wd monster chat to a n/a engine with a few hundred horse power lol,Errol won't be happy :lol: I had my puma and evo at the same time and was tempted but it is alot of work,without spending crazy money you could forge a 4g63/4g64 and run it at 500 600bhp easy,or at the other end of the scale


http://youtu.be/UGv02ZJjkyU



ps should be all good now balanced it out with a big turbo :ok:
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby PumaNoob » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:30 pm

Bentleya wrote:Haha, says you with a Mazda engine ;)


:lol: You horrible man!! Ok so its a Mazda developed engine thats been adopted by ford! But you will still see ford logos dotted about the engine, so it counts as a Ford engine! 8-)

d170sam wrote: Ah but didn't ford own Mazda at the time? So really its Ford anyway!

Thanks Sam, defending my honour when they trying to tar me with the Jap brush :ok:

TGPlayer1 wrote:In my experience the Toyota 1.8s come with pretend clutches that give up after about a week.

And also, Errol just let us know when you want your thread back :ok:


Ha ha its all good fun, i didnt realise this was still going on. I dont mind you guys borrowing the thread for a bit, ill borrow it back now if thats ok ?? :lol:

Ok so for those that dont know, i was at Pumabuild yesterday to get some power figures on my car. The spec is a little different now, as i wanted to change a few things, but its almost the same. I swapped out the cams for a lower lift and less duration cam because i werent happy about the low torque and low mid-range power output i had on the 2.0. and i opted for the VCT option instead of fixed cam. And obviusly i increased the engine stroke and capacity to 2.26l (2.3). And here are the results.

Previous Dyno print out:
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New Dyno Print out: The blue curve is lowest power output (11psi), the green curve is the middle power output (15psi), and the purple curve is the highest power output (22psi).
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The only One im not happy about is the low power curve, i wanted that around 200bhp, as this is the curve used for 1st and 2nd gears all the time, regardless of power setting. Its a very smooth curve, so good for those gears, but i need to see if i can lower it a little.

This is why dyno Figures can be misleading. The old dyno peaked at 424bhp, the new is 400bhp. So youd assume the old engine was better set up then the new?

But if we compare the 2 dynos on the same sheet, you can see the new set up is a LOT better everywhere except above 6500rpm:
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If we look at the Torque difference, its a huge increase all through the rev range except above 6500rpm, a very small sacrifice for the amount of extra mid range i am getting. At 5000rpm there is over 110ft/lbs more then before!!

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On the BHP difference we see the same again, a very minor peak drop, but through the entire rev range there is a lot more. Again at 5000rpm there is around 110 extra bhp then before.

Once again id like to thank everybody that has helped me get to this stage, im very pleased with the result, i hope it has been worth all your efforts too! The high power output was run at 22psi, the set up can take 28psi, but for once im happy where it is now and really dont need any more power!!
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby Wild E. Coyote » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:19 pm

Well done! No, VERY well done! Congrats! Really impressive
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby madhillbilly17 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:42 am

Excellent work mate,ready to hit the strip this summer :ok: have you done any test 1/4 pulls and timed it? I would love to see a in car video :-)
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby ally frp » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:58 am

high figures aren't everything(as you have proved) and I can see from the graphs this is much better on the road.

An excellent tweak is really making the car even more perfect.

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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby gingerdave » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:29 pm

Impressive numbers Errol.Maybe see it at a track day sometime :grin:
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby yippeekiay » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:08 pm

TGPlayer1 wrote:I'd just like to say Suzuki should get a mention for squeezing 200 horses into a 1.3. There's engineering, and then there's bike engines.

Sorry for jumping in on an old post but only 200???
My 1.3 has more and is pulling a car not a pushbike :lol: - and is only 2 'cylinder' so has an excuse for no torque :P

By the way Errol....400bhp....sooo jealous. Wonder if I can shoehorn another 2 rotors into my car :lol:
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby TGPlayer1 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:26 pm

Ah but Wankels are a whole different beast. They are also unreliable, impossible to start from cold, astronomically thirsty and woe betide the poor soul who stalls them. Whereas the trusty Hyabusa will trundle along nicely for the rest of time, and then pull your face off when necessary.

Can you tell i'm biased haha?
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Re: FRP Duratec Turbo Project!

Postby grayfox » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:22 pm

What's your poison errol? .. you deserve a drink!
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