My Road Rally Car

[Flying Scotsman]

WOW.... handbags at dawn chaps.... only red lipstick may be used!

 

[ScubaSteve]

Pmsl. There is padding in the car. And my seats and belts are even pukka ones fitted properly.
I've seen your questionable build thread.....

id like to see your well composed educated reasons as to why its questionable

im not slagging off the car, or the competition, im saying you are driving around with no protection with your heads inchs away from some steel pipe. Which is fine if you are adhereing to the rules by what i understand them to be.

If you are not sticking to the rules, but also driving without any care for your safety or others then im afraid i have no respect for you or the car

 

[rallycraig]

WOW.... handbags at dawn chaps.... only red lipstick may be used!

Done.., lol. Though I think his handbag will be wrapped in sticky back carbon and lipstick
Will be blue. :grin:

 

[ScubaSteve]

still awaiting some proper reasons

 

[rallycraig]

Take it for an MSA logbook once completed.
Scrutineers go over the car with a fine tooth comb. Both my pumas have been built with rallying in mind,
hence both have MSA competition logbooks, the cars are 100 % safe, and the reason i do Road Rallying is due to cost and time.
I have spent well over 10 years in the woods etc all over europe rallying, spending many of thousands of pounds enjoying my sport.
To call road rallying boring is a bit harsh when you know nothing about the sport, road rallying is as popular now as it was in the 70s when works GP4 cars used to take to the roads, we do not sit at 30 mph thats for sure. watch a welsh event and you will see escorts worth 50-60k, millington engines, clicky boxes, etc. None of which would be built if we had to do 30mph.

There is padding in my car, and with welded cds seat mounts, alloy sidemounts, motordrive pro seats and sabelt belts, the chances of me popping my head like a melon are greatly reduced.
Your still using the factory frames in yours, i would seriously consider welding in some tubes, alloy mounts and some decent seats.

 

[rallycraig]

Pmsl. There is padding in the car. And my seats and belts are even pukka ones fitted properly.
I've seen your questionable build thread.....

id like to see your well composed educated reasons as to why its questionable

im not slagging off the car, or the competition, im saying you are driving around with no protection with your heads inchs away from some steel pipe. Which is fine if you are adhereing to the rules by what i understand them to be.

If you are not sticking to the rules, but also driving without any care for your safety or others then im afraid i have no respect for you or the car

We have to stick to the rules, or we face exclusion, a lot of selectives are timed to the second traversing private property. Which area are you from chap? I'll gladly take you out on the next event, show you how it works. (bring your lipstick too)

 

[ScubaSteve]

Take it for an MSA logbook once completed.
Scrutineers go over the car with a fine tooth comb. Both my pumas have been built with rallying in mind,
hence both have MSA competition logbooks, the cars are 100 % safe, and the reason i do Road Rallying is due to cost and time.
I have spent well over 10 years in the woods etc all over europe rallying, spending many of thousands of pounds enjoying my sport.
To call road rallying boring is a bit harsh when you know nothing about the sport, road rallying is as popular now as it was in the 70s when works GP4 cars used to take to the roads, we do not sit at 30 mph thats for sure. watch a welsh event and you will see escorts worth 50-60k, millington engines, clicky boxes, etc. None of which would be built if we had to do 30mph.

There is padding in my car, and with welded cds seat mounts, alloy sidemounts, motordrive pro seats and sabelt belts, the chances of me popping my head like a melon are greatly reduced.
Your still using the factory frames in yours, i would seriously consider welding in some tubes, alloy mounts and some decent seats.

the frames are not factory lol, they are corbeau mounts tailored for a ka/puma

the seats are also fia approved and well in date, so no problems there, the only reason i would swap them are for lighter ones which i dont have the budget for atm

non of your pictures show any padding any way so im just going to have to take your word for that

I cant see how you have an argument really, on one hand you have no helmets because the sport you are partaking in doesnt require them, which is fine, but then the rules also stipulate you cant drive around in any other manner then you would on the roads under normal conditions (im happy to be shown rules that state otherwise but id be surprised as any element of speed would require helmets).

So then by your replies im assuming you dont adhere to these rules which is your perogative, but its a massive and stupid risk not complying to the rules then not taking necessary measures eg wearing a helmet due to the increased risks

 

[Flying Scotsman]

Enough... You can't go on these events and break the rules like not wearing helmets... clearly partaking in the sport and not trying to hide the fact that he doesn't wear helmets... ergo, this discipline, you don't require them. Im he wants to hit his head, let him, but i too am sure there is a great deal of saftey there. A hement only covers one part of your body. If youre that worried about it, you'd have everyone in ceramic body armour... or not compete at all. Rallying, WHATEVR speed can be dangerous... if that really bothers you.. just watch it on tv. Im sure Craig is not stupid an knows full well what he's doing, and steve, you do have a nice track car!

 

[ScubaSteve]

TBH its probably not as big as issue with rallying as it is with track driving, which is what im used to, not rallying lol.

The reason it pisses me off is because im forever seeing wannabe mavericks in bodged up track cars flying round tracks, if they want to hurt themselves then its up to them but with 15 or whatever others on track at the same time, it pisses me off that one of these idiots could at any point take me out and be liable for non of there stupidity

 

[Flying Scotsman]

TBH its probably not as big as issue with rallying as it is with track driving, which is what im used to, not rallying lol.

The reason it pisses me off is because im forever seeing wannabe mavericks in bodged up track cars flying round tracks, if they want to hurt themselves then its up to them but with 15 or whatever others on track at the same time, it pisses me off that one of these idiots could at any point take me out and be liable for non of there stupidity

Totally agree... I for one would hate some 17 yr old in a chavvy saxo to take my car out of the game... I reckon i'd use his head as a baseball for the next 15 miutes after... Have you had a go at some form of rallying Steve?

 

[rallycraig]

Agree with that, part my job is to jump into home made track cars and instruct them, with these...., I do wear a helmet!

 

[ScubaSteve]

fair enough

 

[retromotoring]

I think a few of my rounds (EMAMC)) are also rounds of the ANWCC, so probably seen him out.
I did stage rallying for years, but this is thousands cheaper and just as much fun, more so
Sometimes!

We both love road rallying but he's much more into it than I am these days (I have somehow got involved with drag racing, I spent a lot of time at Santa Pod...). Road Rallying is just so much more value for money too, and there's something quite special about driving on public roads in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night

He marshalls on a lot of stage events too, he's at the Enville Stages next weekend.

His car:


Car 19 - Jonathan Walsh, Ieuan Robertson - Red BMW 316 Compact by retromotoring, on Flickr

If I see you/your car at one I'll say hello!

 

[crutts]

Ahhhh so your the Lava addict's brother then

As for the whole road rallying argument, as someone that has both driven and navigated in them, they arent boring in the slightest, you are constantly on the go, and its 30MPH AVERAGE and when they have intermediate controls in the sections you have to drive at more than 30MPH to reach that average, and when your going from 11pm to 6 am it definately keeps you on your toes.

Craig, how are your lights mounted? And how is your sumpguard mounted? I am building a road rally car myself.

 

[rallycraig]

Lights are mounted on 2 pieces of 2x1 box section, one end is profiled to fit against and over the front bumper mount,
(welded on)
The lamp end is tapered to a single layer. If i get a min, i'll post some pics.
The guard and mount was a pukka birkbeck item, the mount was then re-engineered to sustain even greater impacts
(you know how rough these whites can be at 30 MPH LOL)

 

[crutts]

Yes, the white I encoutered on the lonsdale belt was awful, put the damper up through the turret top and then managed to rearrange the tank guard to something unrecognisable!

I will look at the Box section then, sounds easy enough

 

[crutts]

Was that you out on the Morecambe Road rally this weekend? If so I was on TC 22 and TC38

 

[rallycraig]

Was that you out on the Morecambe Road rally this weekend? If so I was on TC 22 and TC38

A red one? if so, it was my dad out having a play!

 

[uxter]

just to jump in and give a bit of perspective as I am a bit old and was around when the road rally rules changed, basically what you had was full group 4 rally cars racing around the lanes with very few restrictions, almost slick shod tarmac works cars, it was very very hairy, loud, bright (lots of lights) and socially irresponsible, but amazing fun. So the RAC at the time put rules in to limit noise, speed and nuisance. So it went from stage rallying on the road to much tighter regs, no helmets and intercoms means that a car cant be too loud amongst other things, also hopefully slows people down, a max of two forward facing light beams (Puma type headlights only count as one beam, even tho in reality they don't count as headlights at all!) also cuts speed and light pollution, no HID or LED lights either, no dampers with separate reservoirs, road tyres with a minimum aspect ratio and width, no multi valve engines unless with standard fuel injection or more than two carb chokes (no more twin 40 BDA engines) no wheel arch extensions, the list goes on.

But to think a 30mph average is slow is to miss the point on the types of road used. I do mainly historic and Targa events these days, road rallying for me is far too quick and dangerous, its still racing on the roads, the organisers do great work on PR'ing the routes and minimising trouble, but I am just too old to take those risks.

I am sure that rally craigs cage is padded in all the right places to get past the scroots, theres no point padding bits your not gonna hit, looks a well sorted car. In my experience most road rally cars are well sorted safe prospects, a lot of "track "cars are more show than go, I am sure scubasteve is in a minority in thinking it through properly. But proper motorsport has always been about squeezing the regs to your advantage, with that comes calculated risks, but the regs are there to minimise that.

 

[BigAl]

looks like LOTS of fun to me! :grin:

& there's nothing wrong with a bit of lipstick on your helmet!